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Old 06-15-2018, 02:21 AM   #16
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Re: WTF is wrong with gun manufacturers???

I think, as other have stated already, that it is just a matter of numbers. You don't put together a gun for ONE spearo, but for as big as a market as you want. And depending on what you want to shoot and your personal prefferences, you may preffer one configuration or another.

However, I understand what you are talking about. I had a friend of mine buy a Cressi Sub gun and I started fixing stuff as soon as it arrived. Note I don't say tweaking, but FIXING. And by fixing I mean that the mono crips were so bad that I pulled the mono out using only my hands (and I am no Hulk). All the holes in the shaft needed polishing and the flopper was not tuned (but I haven't found a single flopper properly tuned from factory). But it is a 100€ gun, not $1000
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:18 AM   #17
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I have a Koah Battle Axe 58 and 3 friends bought the same after trying mine. They all worked great right of the box. Only, thing different is band length. I work out and do a few different lat exercises. So, my bands are a little shorter and harder to load. John even has a video on his website showing how to properly make and set up the gun for line shaft. Love the way, I can go from free shaft to line in a few seconds for fish in deep holes or cracks or AJs.
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Old 06-15-2018, 06:39 AM   #18
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** Some Assembly required
Every gun can be fine tuned to the user's style and water conditions. Out of the box some guns shoot better than others because their default rigging set up is based on some type of testing. The more power a gun has the more important the shaft, bands, balance, and handle become. Just like a race car every track and every driver is different. To get the last .o1 out of it everything must be optimized.
There are plenty of great commercial divers that shoot thousands of fish a year using caveman guns with caveman set ups. They can out shoot any pool tester and leave you scratching your head how they do it. Learn how to be a better hunter and any gun will shoot better.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:07 AM   #19
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There are plenty of great commercial divers that shoot thousands of fish a year using caveman guns with caveman set ups.

There are commercial divers shooting fish?

And what sort of caveman guns are we talking about? Are they made of stone?
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Old 06-15-2018, 01:00 PM   #20
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Many good points here, guess it also depends on your target species, for me that's WSB and YT. Maybe I have just been unlucky with the original setups or maybe I am just asking too much. The more I learn about guns the more I see how sub-par many top brands are and too bad I had to dish out a few thousand bucks due to my ignorance, but lesson learned. Anyway, the search for the perfect gun to suit my needs continues.
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I think if there's anything to be said about this subject, I find it odd that manufacturers still supply there guns with 16mm bands, when it seems to be pretty consistent at this point that that 14mm small id bands give the best performance...
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I think if there's anything to be said about this subject, I find it odd that manufacturers still supply there guns with 16mm bands, when it seems to be pretty consistent at this point that that 14mm small id bands give the best performance...
I think that's because it's only really been proven to people who keep track. Any random Joe Shmo that walks in somewhere without any foreknowledge will think bigger is better. One of my buddies bought a "customized" 95cm cressi geronimo from a dive shop that was rigged with 3 16mm bands on a 7mm shaft. My friend swore by it, talking about how awesome it was, you could tell by the recoil. That was until I tied him 2 new 14mm small id bands @ 370%.
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Ulusub, Abellan, Oceanborn. You can mod them when you get them but likely won't need to unless you are worried about an inch of movement at the end of the shooting line.
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Old 06-16-2018, 09:48 AM   #24
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** Some Assembly required
Every gun can be fine tuned to the user's style and water conditions. Out of the box some guns shoot better than others because their default rigging set up is based on some type of testing. The more power a gun has the more important the shaft, bands, balance, and handle become. Just like a race car every track and every driver is different. To get the last .o1 out of it everything must be optimized.
There are plenty of great commercial divers that shoot thousands of fish a year using caveman guns with caveman set ups. They can out shoot any pool tester and leave you scratching your head how they do it. Learn how to be a better hunter and any gun will shoot better.
Probably the best post ever in the history of spearboard regarding gear.
If you look at the guns in all the really good commercial shooter videos there is a definite tendency towards simplicity.My caveman gun was a 54 LTD AB Biller with a 6" ballasted butt extension shooting 60" 5/16" shafts and JBL paralyzer tips.
When it sadly sank on the Aunt T it had shot roughly $900K dock value of fish in 13 years and was going to be retired when I got it to a million.The guns my buddies use are even more primitive home assembled pipe guns.
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Probably the best post ever in the history of spearboard regarding gear.
If you look at the guns in all the really good commercial shooter videos there is a definite tendency towards simplicity.My caveman gun was a 54 LTD AB Biller with a 6" ballasted butt extension shooting 60" 5/16" shafts and JBL paralyzer tips.
When it sadly sank on the Aunt T it had shot roughly $900K dock value of fish in 13 years and was going to be retired when I got it to a million.The guns my buddies use are even more primitive home assembled pipe guns.
Tony,

My condolences on the loss of your commercial vessel.

I read a recent Jacksonville news media story about the Aunt T sinking and your awesome preparation that made the rescue easy.

But, I did not share it until you revealed that it happened as you have now done.

Will you post your account of this tragedy soon?

I am sure the story will be very interesting to the diving community.

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