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Old 07-06-2017, 07:02 PM   #1
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The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

http://www.sportfishingmag.com/feder...src=SOC&dom=fb

Apparently this happened to TJ Shea out of Clw.

I also find it troubling a coastie would actually issue such a ridiculous citation. I'd feel like a real bitch writing that citation.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:26 PM   #2
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

They are employed to enforce not write the laws. Know the rules, follow them regardless of how stupid and move on. We all deal with stupid rules in our jobs.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:05 PM   #3
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They are employed to enforce not write the laws. Know the rules, follow them regardless of how stupid and move on. We all deal with stupid rules in our jobs.
True, I guess I'd be a bad coastie, because I would not write a captain a ticket for not having an automobile tire on his boat.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:17 PM   #4
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

I don't think I'd bring a sea turtle in my boat if I ever hooked one anyway. I'd cut the line and let the hook rust out, just like every other bite hazard that one can hook. How are you gonna hoist a 100lb turtle over the gunwale without snapping most sporty tackle anyway? You ain't gonna gaff it. A tire to sit it in and some gags? Wow.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:24 PM   #5
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They are employed to enforce not write the laws. Know the rules, follow them regardless of how stupid and move on. We all deal with stupid rules in our jobs.
You know, the problem Moose is the un-elected appointed administrative state is writing the laws in this country because congress is too lazy and chicken shit to man up and do the work. So we end up with nonsense like this...

I look forward to the day we all collectively say **** you!
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I don't think I'd bring a sea turtle in my boat if I ever hooked one anyway. I'd cut the line and let the hook rust out, just like every other bite hazard that one can hook. How are you gonna hoist a 100lb turtle over the gunwale without snapping most sporty tackle anyway? You ain't gonna gaff it. A tire to sit it in and some gags? Wow.
That article was it...

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Old 07-06-2017, 10:32 PM   #7
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

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http://www.sportfishingmag.com/feder...src=SOC&dom=fb

Apparently this happened to TJ Shea out of Clw.

I also find it troubling a coastie would actually issue such a ridiculous citation. I'd feel like a real bitch writing that citation.
Too bad Doug provides inaccurate information...a tire is not required in this instance - a boat cushion is adequate and allowable - and some of the other items are also not needed for vessels with a freeboard less than 4 feet. Seems he is getting mixed up with some of the longline and larger commercial vessel requirements (freeboard greater than 4 feet).
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

Why isn't the already mandatory life ring good enough?
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Too bad Doug provides inaccurate information...a tire is not required in this instance - a boat cushion is adequate and allowable - and some of the other items are also not needed for vessels with a freeboard less than 4 feet. Seems he is getting mixed up with some of the longline and larger commercial vessel requirements (freeboard greater than 4 feet).
Can you post a link to the actual requirements?
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

Wait until they outlaw stainless steel props on boats and require us to use soft rubber props and limit the rpm's on engines to 112 rpm's.
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Old 07-07-2017, 07:25 AM   #11
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Why isn't the already mandatory life ring good enough?
That too...
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:03 AM   #12
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

A search revealed this...

Continuing Need to Reduce Sea Turtle Bycatch and Bycatch Mortality in the Atlantic Pelagic Longline Fishery

Required (for turtles not boated)

Item A. (one) Long-handled line cutter
Item B. (one) Long-handled dehooker for internal hooks
Item C. (one) Long-handled dehooker for external hooks (the long-handled dehooker for internal hooks used for Item B will also satisfy this requirement)
Item D. (one) Long-handled device to pull and “Inverted V” (if 6-foot J-style dehooker is used for Item C.)
Item E. (one) Turtle control device (turtle tether or ninja sticks)


Required (for turtles boated)

Item F. (one) Dip net
Item G. (one) Standard automobile tire
Item H. (one) Short-handled dehooker for internal hooks
Item I. (one) Short-handled dehooker for removing external hooks (the short-handled dehooker for internal hooks will also satisfy this requirement)
Item J. (one) Long-nose or needle-nose pliers
Item K. (one) Bolt cutters
Item L. (one) Monofilament line cutter
Item M. (two) Mouth openers / mouth gags selected from the list to the right:
Block of hard wood
A set of three (3) canine mouth gags
A set of two (2) sturdy dog chew bones
Two (2) rope loops covered with hose
A hank of rope
A set of four (4) PVC splice couplings
A large avian oral speculum


Recommended Equipment

Item N. (one) Turtle hoist

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/fr/fr69-40734.pdf

It sounds like this is a long line issue that is either applied to every commercial/for hire vessel or the coasties got it wrong by ticketing TJ. Nothing is clear. Here's some of their research.

https://www.wcpfc.int/system/files/SC3_EB_IP1.pdf
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...

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Can you post a link to the actual requirements?
Of course...

First, this document must be kept with permits/paperwork:

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl..._protocols.pdf

It explains all the procedures, etc., should you hook a turtle.

Here are the actual requirements for vessels with a freeboard of 4 feet or less:

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl...ft_or_less.pdf

Note the *examples*...
Also note there are some design specs for some of the gear. While most knifes or shears would be considered monofilament line cutters in a general sense, the regs state "To meet the minimum design standards such monofilament line cutters must generally be approximately 7 1⁄2 inches (19.05 cm) in length. The blades must be 1 in (4.45 cm) in length and 5⁄8-in (1.59 cm) wide, when closed, and are recommended to be coated with
Teflon (a trademark owned by E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company Corp.)." Many shears and knives may still meet these criteria...

FAQs:

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl...elease_faq.pdf
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Old 07-07-2017, 08:24 AM   #14
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Yes, that is for the longline fisheries, which were first required to use this gear. The reef fish fisheries, however, have an amended list, which I provided in the post above...
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:23 AM   #15
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Yes, that is for the longline fisheries, which were first required to use this gear. The reef fish fisheries, however, have an amended list, which I provided in the post above...
Thanks for the info. It pisses me off when journalist twist the facts, whether intentional or not...

Nevertheless, it's still a stupid reg for a for hire operation.* While anecdotal, I've never (nor heard of) and probably won't ever hook a turtle. And as mentioned above, even if I did I wouldn't land it. I'd try to ensure the least damage to the turtle which would be to remove the hook if possible or cut the leader, both scenarios the turtle is staying in the water.

*There's no doubt it should be a requirement for long line fisherman. A technique I do not support.
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