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07-06-2017, 07:02 PM | #1 |
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The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/feder...src=SOC&dom=fb
Apparently this happened to TJ Shea out of Clw. I also find it troubling a coastie would actually issue such a ridiculous citation. I'd feel like a real bitch writing that citation. |
07-06-2017, 07:26 PM | #2 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
They are employed to enforce not write the laws. Know the rules, follow them regardless of how stupid and move on. We all deal with stupid rules in our jobs.
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07-06-2017, 09:05 PM | #3 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
True, I guess I'd be a bad coastie, because I would not write a captain a ticket for not having an automobile tire on his boat.
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07-06-2017, 09:17 PM | #4 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
I don't think I'd bring a sea turtle in my boat if I ever hooked one anyway. I'd cut the line and let the hook rust out, just like every other bite hazard that one can hook. How are you gonna hoist a 100lb turtle over the gunwale without snapping most sporty tackle anyway? You ain't gonna gaff it. A tire to sit it in and some gags? Wow.
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07-06-2017, 10:42 PM | #8 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
Why isn't the already mandatory life ring good enough?
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07-07-2017, 06:55 AM | #10 |
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Wait until they outlaw stainless steel props on boats and require us to use soft rubber props and limit the rpm's on engines to 112 rpm's.
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07-07-2017, 07:25 AM | #11 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
That too...
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07-07-2017, 08:03 AM | #12 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
A search revealed this...
Continuing Need to Reduce Sea Turtle Bycatch and Bycatch Mortality in the Atlantic Pelagic Longline Fishery Required (for turtles not boated) Item A. (one) Long-handled line cutter Item B. (one) Long-handled dehooker for internal hooks Item C. (one) Long-handled dehooker for external hooks (the long-handled dehooker for internal hooks used for Item B will also satisfy this requirement) Item D. (one) Long-handled device to pull and “Inverted V” (if 6-foot J-style dehooker is used for Item C.) Item E. (one) Turtle control device (turtle tether or ninja sticks) Required (for turtles boated) Item F. (one) Dip net Item G. (one) Standard automobile tire Item H. (one) Short-handled dehooker for internal hooks Item I. (one) Short-handled dehooker for removing external hooks (the short-handled dehooker for internal hooks will also satisfy this requirement) Item J. (one) Long-nose or needle-nose pliers Item K. (one) Bolt cutters Item L. (one) Monofilament line cutter Item M. (two) Mouth openers / mouth gags selected from the list to the right: Block of hard wood A set of three (3) canine mouth gags A set of two (2) sturdy dog chew bones Two (2) rope loops covered with hose A hank of rope A set of four (4) PVC splice couplings A large avian oral speculum Recommended Equipment Item N. (one) Turtle hoist http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/fr/fr69-40734.pdf It sounds like this is a long line issue that is either applied to every commercial/for hire vessel or the coasties got it wrong by ticketing TJ. Nothing is clear. Here's some of their research. https://www.wcpfc.int/system/files/SC3_EB_IP1.pdf |
07-07-2017, 08:22 AM | #13 |
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Re: The NOAA continues to prove they are not very bright...
Of course...
First, this document must be kept with permits/paperwork: http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl..._protocols.pdf It explains all the procedures, etc., should you hook a turtle. Here are the actual requirements for vessels with a freeboard of 4 feet or less: http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl...ft_or_less.pdf Note the *examples*... Also note there are some design specs for some of the gear. While most knifes or shears would be considered monofilament line cutters in a general sense, the regs state "To meet the minimum design standards such monofilament line cutters must generally be approximately 7 1⁄2 inches (19.05 cm) in length. The blades must be 1 in (4.45 cm) in length and 5⁄8-in (1.59 cm) wide, when closed, and are recommended to be coated with Teflon (a trademark owned by E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company Corp.)." Many shears and knives may still meet these criteria... FAQs: http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sustainabl...elease_faq.pdf
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Yes, that is for the longline fisheries, which were first required to use this gear. The reef fish fisheries, however, have an amended list, which I provided in the post above...
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Nevertheless, it's still a stupid reg for a for hire operation.* While anecdotal, I've never (nor heard of) and probably won't ever hook a turtle. And as mentioned above, even if I did I wouldn't land it. I'd try to ensure the least damage to the turtle which would be to remove the hook if possible or cut the leader, both scenarios the turtle is staying in the water. *There's no doubt it should be a requirement for long line fisherman. A technique I do not support. |
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