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01-12-2016, 03:18 AM | #61 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
Well, I did give you my advice on how to defend your position in order to get a fair trial...and like Bubba Gump said, "That's all I have to say about that".....good luck
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01-12-2016, 04:20 AM | #62 | |
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However, it also sounds like your buddy took a clicker. If that's so, then he broke the law. Plain and simple. If it's even the least bit questionable, it's always best to toss it back. We have to remember, collectively as well as individually, that our hunting activities are ultimately recreational. We're not counting on our catch for our survival. You can resent and fight the laws, get hung up on the questionable or bad decisions Wardens and judges make. On the other hand, you can ensure that you are abiding fully and unmistakably by the laws, by letting the laws be a challenge to dive deeper, hold your breath longer, stretch and tax and push yourself a little more to get those trophy bugs, fish, whatever . . . I had a buddy I dove with recently who pulled a short, and was fined accordingly. Said buddy is also in the processing of applying for law enforcement. The things he said about how the Warden should have cut him some slack, blah blah blah, none of that helped anything or anyone, and all of it was unprincipled and unbecoming, especially of a person who wants to be an LEO. What's helpful, IMO, is to simply follow the law and avoid these kinds of things. I won't lie and say this has always been my perspective, but at some point, we are each obliged to realize what we're out there for: to participate in something that's so much greater and more significant than the mere satisfaction of our own personal desires, for the possession and consumption of finite goods. These things are in no way good in themselves, but are only good relative to the kinds of lives we lead. In this time and place, what comes of the hunt is not really what is of value, at the end of the day. What is truly valuable, rather, is being a part of the hunt itself, the right and ability to enter into the great chain of life, to do so with appreciation and the utmost respect for the delicate, fragile ecosystems that we are privileged enough to have such a special kind of access to. To have our spirits renewed and rejuvenated by something noble and pure, wild and free. This is an opportunity that we are increasingly denied in our time, which makes it all the more precious for us to try and preserve it. Ultimately, that is to say, if we don't follow the laws and limit ourselves and are too easy on ourselves, we risk participating in unsustainable or unethical practices that can undermine the possibility of consumptive diving, both for ourselves and future generations. If that highfallutin' metaethical argument didn't do it for you, then let mere prudence be your motive. Practically speaking and at the end of the day, it is also always better to be hard on one's self, than to give a Warden or a Judge the least bit of cause or right to act.
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01-12-2016, 06:37 AM | #63 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
So glad I don't have to deal with this kind of shit anymore.
Have a good winter fukas!!
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01-12-2016, 07:43 AM | #64 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
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01-12-2016, 09:58 AM | #65 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
I was one of the divers out with Mario that night and his depiction of the events is pretty spot on. Our cards indicated a total of 15 bugs and the wardens didn't note any issues with how many we reported. Assuming our cards were accurate, we should have had 14 lobsters when we got back to the dock.
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01-12-2016, 11:30 AM | #66 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
carrasco, sorry that you are going through DFW hell. I wish you luck with your case.
Two years ago I was stopped by the DFW crew on their big boat, Swordfish. This was at Santa Cruz Island a few hours before the start of that lobster season. We had a long talk about measuring bugs. They made it real clear that if the gauge goes in, it's a short. They even mentioned that if the gauge holds the bug's weight, they were still going to call it a short. It's too bad they won't spell that out in the regs and we are left to the discretion of the officer. Bottom line, you are in real subjective waters if you think about keeping a bug that's a cunt hair or two either way from being legal. It's just not worth the money and hassle of a citation. |
01-12-2016, 11:33 AM | #67 | |
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To everyone onboard that day and those who have dived with me in the past, be reminded that our sport is not a crime, that all rules are respected on my boat, and that I will not stop diving and enjoying sharing the stoke with all of you.
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01-12-2016, 01:23 PM | #68 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
So many things to be said, but don't want to go on a rant. Just hope everything works out for you. A protocol should be followed when boarding and it doesn't appear it was or that there is a protocol set in place.
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01-12-2016, 02:02 PM | #69 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
That's such a bummer, Mario! Sounds like some shenanigans. You have a good deal of evidence that you can bring to court; I imagine they won't raise much of a fuss. Good luck!
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01-12-2016, 02:09 PM | #70 |
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01-12-2016, 04:39 PM | #71 | |
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Notice in their pic that the gauge overhangs the carapace, and they state "Equal or Greater" is legal!
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01-12-2016, 06:02 PM | #72 |
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Re: 2 DFW Officers, Dishonest or Incompetent?
To me, this was a personal matter with Carrasco. Sorry that this was the case.
You know officer Enguyen..how? have you had an unpleasant encounter with him before? Either way, Is all about common sense. The guys have 15 bugs and most of them are perfectly legal and 1 might be questionable depending on who you ask, if it is the first time..I would say that calls for common sense to dictate that the divers are not poaching. It wouldn't make sense to take the chance and get one short bug in the mix intentionally. |
01-12-2016, 06:04 PM | #73 | |
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Try to fit a 1.000" rod in a 1.000 hole and you will see it just won't fit without a hammer A bug that is exactly leagal will need the gauge forced on to fit |
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01-12-2016, 06:07 PM | #74 |
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This is gold right here. Make a big blowup of this and take it to court!! Clicker my ass. the way its written, if it even grazes the two points at once-its good!! Case fricken closed!
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