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02-09-2012, 11:36 PM | #16 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
Fair enough - to each their own, and I'm certainly not going to criticize someone for using a safety.
I'm of the school of thought that a) it can offer a false sense of security b) it's one more thing to think of / go wrong c) one can implement a reasonable amount of safety by being mindful of the direction you point a gun in. I just personally don't believe the increase in safety (general) from using a safety (switch) is that significant, and the downsides aren't worth it. |
02-09-2012, 11:58 PM | #17 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
Nice writeup, Pete. I've never quite understood the reluctance to having an operable safety on a gun and using it under the right conditions, in the right way. I have never seen anyone refuse to use a safety on a firearm, yet there is a great reluctance for some to use a safety under any circumstances on a speargun. The arguement that a safety causes you to miss a shot at a fish seems to me like blaming the spoon for making Rosie O'Donnell fat. To me a safety should be engaged while you prepare the gun to shoot and are in a position to hunt. If other divers are around, it means ready to shoot at a fish. Even if you are by yourself, there are lots of things that can and do go wrong while loading the gun that would be prevented by a safety that is engaged until the gun and the hunter are ready to hunt.
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02-10-2012, 12:42 AM | #18 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
I agree that a safety can give a false sense of security ... at least on a speargun. I am all for safeties on firearms though. The best safety is to assume a loaded speargun gun is a continuously shooting laser and simply not to point or wave through anything that you would not want to hit. I have had to freak out a few times on my boat where guys with a fully loaded 3 band gun can't understand my paranoia at not accepting a safety as an excuse to have the gun loaded on the boat. It really doesn't take a big bump to have a gun go off with the safety on.
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02-10-2012, 01:35 AM | #19 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
The most dangerous element of the equation is the operator.
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02-10-2012, 01:48 AM | #20 | |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
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I think their should be more emphasis on the trigger mechanisms on how much "bumps" it can take before releasing a loaded gun accidentally. Accidents will happen, more likely while loading gun your finger might accidental push the trigger and the spear flys without warning...or maybe the spear may not be fully engaged and as you load the first band; the spear takes off...so in this sense...the only safety is a loaded (or while loading) gun is pointed to the blue. Ihab |
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02-10-2012, 06:01 AM | #21 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
In addition to pointing my gun in a safe direction and keeping my finger off the trigger, I always put the safety on whenever I come up on another diver in the water as an added layer of safety.
It is not just fingers that can pull triggers; kelp strands, stringers, and other things can do so as well. A sudden surge or movement on the part of the other diver can quickly result in a gun being pointed momentarily in an unsafe direction. I would bet that there is not a diver on this board that has not at some point in his diving experience had his gun unintentionally pointed at another diver for a brief moment because of an unforeseen event, and if that occurs, then having the safety on as an additional layer of protection is a good thing. When hunting my safety is always off, when other divers are in the area, it is always on.
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02-10-2012, 08:13 AM | #22 | |
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I'm with Yard Sale Josh on this one... safety switches only ever cost me fish. I remove them, load my gun in the water and only point it at intended targets.
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02-10-2012, 10:57 AM | #23 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
I think Tin Man is in the minority on this one for two reasons:
1) Only a small percentage of SCUBA shooters use a chest load style gun 2) An even smaller percentage have guns with a specific trigger mechanism that was prone to misfires in its original design configuration edit: Reason 1 is my opinion - no data collection nor analysis was performed
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02-10-2012, 02:54 PM | #25 | |
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02-10-2012, 05:56 PM | #26 |
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02-10-2012, 07:03 PM | #27 |
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Ive seen and used a lot of different guns and the saftey on the seasniper reef guns is the best Ive seen. It is just like a safety on a land gun very simple and it works great.
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02-11-2012, 12:27 AM | #29 |
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I wonder if it would be possible to make a "bump" proof safety on a speargun. I guess that would need to involve a modification of the shaft. Something like a firing pin on a grenade. Sort of like a pin would have to go through a hole in the shaft itself so that even with a hard bump or a pulled trigger the shaft would not physically be able to propel forward unless the pin was removed.
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02-11-2012, 12:31 AM | #30 |
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Re: Trigger safeties: To have or not to have
Safeties guarantee nothing.
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