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05-15-2019, 12:42 PM | #136 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Hi Kodama, Yeah I had a few of these mechs here from a while back. Though I think it worked out because you can sink the back screw deep into the handle. Really that back screw is the strength and the front end buttresses up to the square.
Gecko, you are right. My mistake. I use Micro Balloons as a Fairing compound for non structural shaping. What I used here was actually Microfibers. I'll get around to ordering some CF tape etc and making the whole thing nice and reinforced with Long Fiber.
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05-20-2019, 02:18 PM | #137 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
So, my friend tried out a few shots and said it was very smooth. Now I'll reinforce.
Does anyone out there have an opinion on whether regular Fiberglass cloth in a G-Flex Resin would be a suitable reinforcement? I have some on hand and would need to order CF.
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08-24-2020, 03:22 PM | #138 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Hey everyone,
I just picked up a pathos 130 with the D1 handle and ermes DR mech. I’m concerned about how much the shaft rises up out of the track under load. My best guess is that the shaft is ridding up the rear roller until it contacts the top of the mechanism housing. Under load I have a healthy 3mm gap between the bottom of the shaft and the track. I’ve not tested the gun yet, but I wouldn’t be happy with this in any of my self made guns. Anyone else notice this? |
08-25-2020, 01:58 AM | #139 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Can you post pictures of how you installed this trigger? There are two inner lips that need to be filed on the inside of the handle where the trigger sear is to allow for proper seating of the mech, otherwise the front metal spacer on the mech will be higher than the track. I have done a video of how to do this mod but really did not have any time to post it. Send me your email in private message and I will send you all the pics that will make sure you do the mod correctly.
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08-25-2020, 12:37 PM | #140 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Thanks Majid. I bought the gun from the dealer with the modifications done, but seems like a simple fix. It's interesting how the mechanism is held in place by only the rear pin. I'm sure it is plenty strong, but still, I'm slightly uneasy with it. There also seems to be a good amount of flex between the handel and the barrel. Obviously this hasn't proved to be an issue, but still, not ideal.
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08-25-2020, 01:56 PM | #141 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Quick note: Majid’s fix totally resolved issue.
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08-26-2020, 12:05 AM | #142 | |
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08-26-2020, 12:59 AM | #143 | |
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Well, I'm glad that I'm not the only one that sees this as an issue! I had a look at my Rob Allen 140, there does not appear to be any flex between the handle and the barrel. The main difference being the RA handle has both a male insert and a female sleeve that seems to greatly strengthen the connection. I like your recommendation regarding the CF tape and wooden dowel, I'll give it a go. |
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10-20-2020, 03:19 AM | #144 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Hi Majid, I was following this thread with great interest as I plan to mod the Pathos D'Angelo 3 handle on my R-115. In your earlier post from 2019, you mentioned D2 DR is still "work in progress". Have you noticed any changes in the project recently or Covid put everything on hold? Browsing for Ermes D2, I noticed there are several variants of the trigger:
https://www.spearfishingproducts.com...thos-dangelo-2 http://ermessea.com/negozio/phatos-dangelo-2-3/ end even this one! http://www.spearfishing.de/product_i...-Angelo-2.html Which one do you recommend? or should I go for the http://ermessea.com/negozio/double-roll-wings-2/ as I will be carbon wrapping the handle and the barrel anyway? Cheers and keep safe. |
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For the D2 however, much better is just get a full DR long trigger and the mod to any Pathos gun is very simple and very quick. Just open up the mech box cavity on the handle to 15mm and little bit of epoxy putty molding ... then a Carbon Fiber cover and you are good to go. You now have the best trigger on earth with a full 10mm sear and a 6mm roller ... no compromises. Plus you have the ability to finely tune your mech height to whatever shaft you decide to use. By the way the new DR trigger is a huge upgrade to the original DR trigger. There was a huge investment in tooling to get the trigger tolerances improved by a factor of more than 10x . It is much stronger and much smoother and everything from trigger pull to line release action to fit is better. |
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10-25-2020, 08:27 AM | #147 |
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Re: Double Roller Trigger for Pathos handle, Ermes Sub
Yes that’s the one. With the short version I can’t get the same superb accuracy for some reason and since the long version gives a little more free band stretch anyhow I haven’t really gone into the trouble of finding out why the short version doesn’t give same results.
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03-03-2021, 06:27 PM | #148 |
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Just an update, I can safely say that the drop in DR trigger that I have in my D1 handle is a piece of crap. Extremely heavy trigger pull and unpredictable breaks. I'm going to try a full DR trigger modification now. I should have stayed with my rob allens.
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03-03-2021, 11:59 PM | #149 | |
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Another update; the one I have in my D1 handle has a very smooth pull but it does sit a tiny bit proud. At some point I’ll pull it out and see if I didn’t take enough handle material off or whether it’s a manufacturing (tolerance) issue but since the gun shoots great as is, I’m not in a hurry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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03-04-2021, 01:08 AM | #150 | |
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On another note, for anyone who got a D2 handle DR trigger, I have finally figured out the problems. That trigger I definitely don't recommend as the tolerances required are way too high for the manufacturing system used. During lockdown I figured out the problem ... one side of the box has a pin hole that is slightly lower than the second opposing side and with a milling machine it is possible to fix by just making a hole on the other side a little higher and a little larger. That way the pin sits horizontal and the shaft sear drops center instead of hitting the walls. Of course you would also need to make a slightly larger pin to accommodate the larger diameter. I know that some people did end up getting that trigger ... if you did and are having problems with it I can probably help you fix it. |
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