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Old 07-13-2017, 01:54 PM   #1
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Ugly truth of "free" health care.

Long story short. Flew home from Toronto this morning sitting next to a nice Canadian lady, ballpark age of 40-45.

She was going to St Louis to see a specialist that had done surgery on her to remove a disc in her neck to repair a nerve issue. She named some medical term but I don't recall the name of it. She said it is fairly uncommon.

She said she had spent her and her husbands entire life savings on two surgeries in St Louis that gave her use of her neck, shoulder and right arm.
Apparently there are only three places in the US that specialize in this issue.

She said she had waited two years to see a specialist in Canada only to have him prescribe pain medication and he had no clue as to what her problem was. That's when she did her homework and found a specialist in St Louis.

Her quote, "Free medical is great under two circumstances. When you are perfectly healthy or you have a life threatening emergency. Other than that, if you need to see a specialist you can wait easily two to three years."

She also said that most of the good Canadian doctors have gone to the US for more money....What really put the exclamation point on her story is the fact that she said her husband is a family physician and they still could not get help within the Canadian system.

She said there was a process to possibly get some of her money back from Canada health care but that if she got anything, it would be a very small percentage of her expenses.
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:21 PM   #2
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True story. I have relatives in Canada. They all say the same kind of thing. We had the best medical system in the world here in the U.S. It used to be you could buy insurance for a reasonable amount, and be responsible for your own medical expenses that way, as I have been all my life, and get excellent medical care.

I bought my own medical insurance since I was 19, and I am 61 today. No employer ever provided my insurance, I bought it myself, just like I bought my own car and groceries and housing. I bought only the coverage I wanted, and needed, and was forced to pay for nothing else.

The free market provides excellent medical care where supply and demand are free to work, just like it provides every other necessity we have.

But the Government is bound and determined to destroy it with socialism, and force us all into hyper expensive substandard third world medical care. Infuriating.

Repeal Obamacare, and bring back the free market and nationwide competition among insurers, and let the customer decide the kind of coverage and care he wants, and doesn't want. And for those who choose not to purchase insurance, then let them bear the consequences of that decision.
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Old 07-13-2017, 03:52 PM   #3
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Re: Ugly truth of "free" health care.

True story is that there is a whole world outside North America. There is excellent "free" health in Europe, to name one place.

But it is not free, you pay for it with taxes.


There's other countries, like Brazil or Colombia, where you can have a surgery in a private hospital with a world class specialist for a fraction of the USA cost. Including airfare and accomodation for a companion.
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Dont want to confuse you with facts...but..Do a check, and you will see The USA is NOT the best in health care, not by a LONG SHOT!
And it hasn't been, since long before Obama Care

( Unless you were home schooled,,,then you would believe anything your parents wanted you to believe!)

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Dont want to confuse you with facts...but..Do a check, and you will see The USA is NOT the best in health care, not by a LONG SHOT!
I don't think I am confused at all dipshit. I am very sure I made no mention of the USA being the best.

I simply relayed a factual story from a "real" world situation about "free" health care. That is called a primary source of information which typically differs from published agenda driven data and polls. Maybe you don't understand that to be "fact"

If your for free health care. so be it. Just be mindful of what you wish for.
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I don't think I am confused at all dipshit. I am very sure I made no mention of the USA being the best.

I simply relayed a factual story from a "real" world situation about "free" health care. That is called a primary source of information which typically differs from published agenda driven data and polls. Maybe you don't understand that to be "fact"

If your for free health care. so be it. Just be mindful of what you wish for.
Actually I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the Other poster, that did say we were the best health care.
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I don't think I am confused at all...
So Actually,,,you ARE confused.
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:44 AM   #7
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Actually I wasn't addressing you, I was addressing the Other poster, that did say we were the best health care.
So Actually,,,you ARE confused.
Then I stand corrected.
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Long story short. Flew home from Toronto this morning sitting next to a nice Canadian lady, ballpark age of 40-45.

She was going to St Louis to see a specialist that had done surgery on her to remove a disc in her neck to repair a nerve issue. She named some medical term but I don't recall the name of it. She said it is fairly uncommon.

She said she had spent her and her husbands entire life savings on two surgeries in St Louis that gave her use of her neck, shoulder and right arm.
Apparently there are only three places in the US that specialize in this issue.

She said she had waited two years to see a specialist in Canada only to have him prescribe pain medication and he had no clue as to what her problem was. That's when she did her homework and found a specialist in St Louis.

Her quote, "Free medical is great under two circumstances. When you are perfectly healthy or you have a life threatening emergency. Other than that, if you need to see a specialist you can wait easily two to three years."

She also said that most of the good Canadian doctors have gone to the US for more money....What really put the exclamation point on her story is the fact that she said her husband is a family physician and they still could not get help within the Canadian system.

She said there was a process to possibly get some of her money back from Canada health care but that if she got anything, it would be a very small percentage of her expenses.

oh ok, I may wait longer to see a specialist for a non life treating condition, So poor people with deadly diseases should die.

You see heres that lack of prioritizing, and just general lack of empathy/humanity i see in all of you.

dying people deserve treatment FIRST regardless of money.
in the US, its rich people get treatment first, poor people go bankrupt/die.
heath is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
your argument is selfish
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Old 07-14-2017, 06:52 AM   #9
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Long story short. Flew home from Toronto this morning sitting next to a nice Canadian lady, ballpark age of 40-45.

She was going to St Louis to see a specialist that had done surgery on her to remove a disc in her neck to repair a nerve issue. She named some medical term but I don't recall the name of it. She said it is fairly uncommon.

She said she had spent her and her husbands entire life savings on two surgeries in St Louis that gave her use of her neck, shoulder and right arm.
Apparently there are only three places in the US that specialize in this issue.

She said she had waited two years to see a specialist in Canada only to have him prescribe pain medication and he had no clue as to what her problem was. That's when she did her homework and found a specialist in St Louis.

Her quote, "Free medical is great under two circumstances. When you are perfectly healthy or you have a life threatening emergency. Other than that, if you need to see a specialist you can wait easily two to three years."

She also said that most of the good Canadian doctors have gone to the US for more money....What really put the exclamation point on her story is the fact that she said her husband is a family physician and they still could not get help within the Canadian system.

She said there was a process to possibly get some of her money back from Canada health care but that if she got anything, it would be a very small percentage of her expenses.

oh ok, I may wait longer to see a specialist for a non life treating condition, So poor people with deadly diseases should die.

You see heres that lack of prioritizing, and just general lack of empathy/humanity i see in all of you.

dying people deserve treatment FIRST regardless of money.
in the US, its rich people get treatment first, poor people go bankrupt/die.
heath is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
your argument is selfish

your literally saying I don't care poor people are dying/going bankrupt, i want to see my dermatologist NOW.
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oh ok, I may wait longer to see a specialist for a non life treating condition, So poor people with deadly diseases should die.

You see heres that lack of prioritizing, and just general lack of empathy/humanity i see in all of you.

dying people deserve treatment FIRST regardless of money.
in the US, its rich people get treatment first, poor people go bankrupt/die.
heath is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
your argument is selfish

your literally saying I don't care poor people are dying/going bankrupt, i want to see my dermatologist NOW.
Holy F#ck~~ Can you just shut that hole in your neck and go away!!!!
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oh ok, I may wait longer to see a specialist for a non life treating condition, So poor people with deadly diseases should die.

You see heres that lack of prioritizing, and just general lack of empathy/humanity i see in all of you.

dying people deserve treatment FIRST regardless of money.
in the US, its rich people get treatment first, poor people go bankrupt/die.
heath is the #1 cause of bankruptcy in the US.
your argument is selfish

your literally saying I don't care poor people are dying/going bankrupt, i want to see my dermatologist NOW.
Last time I checked, stealing is not a human right. Now, if you want to give some or all of your own fuc#ing money to help poor people with med bills knock yourself out.
Try to steal from me, go ahead ask gov to do it.....just keep stealing and see what happens. The stealers and the quislings that help them will rot in the field.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:17 PM   #12
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oh ok, I may wait longer to see a specialist for a non life treating condition, So poor people with deadly diseases should die.
You see heres that lack of prioritizing, and just general lack of empathy/humanity i see in all of you.
Your literally saying I don't care poor people are dying/going bankrupt, i want to see my dermatologist NOW.
Well, she was in such pain she could not do her job, could not work, and therefore could not pay taxes to pay for the free shit you think you deserve....

You do realize the money has to come from somewhere don't you......And I said nothing about letting poor people die....

Your head is so far up your freaking hateful ass you cant even smell the shit you spew.
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Well, she was in such pain she could not do her job, could not work, and therefore could not pay taxes to pay for the free shit you think you deserve....

You do realize the money has to come from somewhere don't you......And I said nothing about letting poor people die....

Your head is so far up your freaking hateful ass you cant even smell the shit you spew.
Your head is so far up your freaking hateful ass you cant even understand the implications of what you say..

No, no, no. you ARE talking poor people dying. You are advocating against universal healthcare, you are advocating against the affordable care act. so you can't advocate against something that saves poor lives, and then say you aren't talking about poor people dying. w.e the republican healthcare reform just stalled again, which proves the US is smartening up on healthcare. excuse me if I was so blunt about directly tying you to advocating poor people dying. i probably had just read some nasty fitz or obligated post. but dude if you voted trump you can't support trump and say you don't support poor people dying. theres no way around that. thats why his healthcare bill is stalled.

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Your head is so far up your freaking hateful ass you cant even understand the implications of what you say..

No, no, no. you ARE talking poor people dying. You are advocating against universal healthcare, you are advocating against the affordable care act. so you can't advocate against something that saves poor lives, and then say you aren't talking about poor people dying. w.e the republican healthcare reform just stalled again, which proves the US is smartening up on healthcare. excuse me if I was so blunt about directly tying you to advocating poor people dying. i probably had just read some nasty fitz or obligated post. but dude if you voted trump you can't support trump and say you don't support poor people dying. theres no way around that. thats why his healthcare bill is stalled.
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