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Old 08-23-2014, 04:01 PM   #16
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I've just gone back and reread that article and others on DenniSSS Prager's site. What morally vacuous, empty-headed tripe!

It's appalling that someone who claims to fear God would dare to endorse the Vietnam War and "America’s distinctive values" which I guess DeniSSS felt were exemplified there. Which values were those? America's love of Napalm and gelled gasoline? Or was it more the Exceptional American demonstration of chemical exfoliants and dioxins , which poisoned our own men and have caused human birth defects for decades in Vietnam? Perhaps it was America's love of freedom as expressed by the draft selection / slavery process for filling press gangs for aggressive foreign wars. Maybe he likes the Vietnam war because God loves it when we blow up godless little brown people in the name of freedom and democracy.

It raises a lot of difficult moral questions for me. Is God happier when we burn the little bastards alive in their homes, or would a nuke get it all done with less fuss? Presumably, God likes efficiency! Surely God does not like it when our own soldiers die, so it seems we might risk wrath if we just land and start shooting people as opposed to blowing them to hell from 20k. Seems like smallpox blankets would not be in keeping with the times and thus might anger God.

Amazing! And people who follow The Prince of Peace are into this?????

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Old 08-23-2014, 04:25 PM   #17
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DenniSSS Prager says America "won't be great without God". I guess that means Nazi Germany was great, since it was roughly 95% Christian at that time.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:45 PM   #18
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And I just got back from comforting a loved one on their next journey into the afterlife. She has leukemia, her liver has shut down. I haven't much experience in this field but I wished her the best and tried to assure her that things were going to be better on the other side as her karma bucket was full. I hope I comforted her.
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Old 08-23-2014, 04:55 PM   #19
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And I just got back from comforting a loved one on their next journey into the afterlife. She has leukemia, her liver has shut down. I haven't much experience in this field but I wished her the best and tried to assure her that things were going to be better on the other side as her karma bucket was full. I hope I comforted here.
Sorry to hear that. Life is short. And often hard. But God is good.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:10 PM   #20
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The news media, too, have no moral focus. They are preoccupied with Gazans who have died, and with the disparity between the number of Gazans killed and the number of Israelis killed — as if that is morally dispositive. Imagine that during World War II, the Western press had converged on German hospitals and apartment buildings and repeatedly announced the huge disparity between German civilian deaths and British civilian deaths. More than 10 times the number of German civilians were killed as were British — but did that have anything at all to do with the morality of the British war against Germany?
I'll have to give it to him. DeniSSS does indeed get close to the heart of the matter.

Anyone else here care to click their heels, salute the Fuhrer, and demonstrate that killing civilians is not "morally dispositive"?

It's indicative of just exactly the nature of the spiritual and moral depravity that makes the world so bloody and unjust. The Japanese understood that raping, pillaging and killing was not "morally dispositive". The Germans understood that murdering millions of Poles, Russians, jews, and others was not "morally dispositive". The Allies understood that leveling Dresden, firebombing Tokyo, and nuking Hiroshima were not "morally dispositive".

But the damning thing about it all is this; Even if nobody else knew better, Christians should have. And they should now.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:31 PM   #21
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Sorry to hear that. Life is short. And often hard. But God is good.
Thanks. I didn't mean to disrupt the thread. I don't even know why I brought it up but for sharing with my peers/friends what I've gone through....hoping, I guess, that they might understand/feel how much more what life is about. We're all in this together.
It was strange. I didn't know how to frame the conversation. I inquired to those close to her if she knew she was dying...she did...then, all I could do was frame the conversation in that respect instead of pretending that it wasn't happening. We had the most real genuine conversation. I acted excited about her next 'trip/journey'...she responded in kind. We talked about all the aspects of life...good and bad. What was nice was talking w/ the understanding that she was definitely dying. There was no false discussion. Reality and genuineness was the order of the conversation. It made it easier once that was understood. Talk of the happiness of the afterlife made everything easier. I'm quite certain that it gave her solace.
Like I said, my apologies for this being out of place. I guess it just makes me feel better writing about it. My apologies for my selfishness.

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But the damning thing about it all is this; Even if nobody else knew better, Christians should have. And they should now.
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Old 08-23-2014, 06:26 PM   #23
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War pigs

Yep...here's the most decorated marine ever speaking about this.

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DenniSSS Prager says America "won't be great without God". I guess that means Nazi Germany was great, since it was roughly 95% Christian at that time.
This has to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen... dude you have some serious personal issues you need to resolve before anyone can begin to have a coherent conversation with you...
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This has to be one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen... dude you have some serious personal issues you need to resolve before anyone can begin to have a coherent conversation with you...
What did he say that wasn't correct? Fact is that many nations have done some horrible things in the name of some religion. Things that directly contradict what their god professes. Presently, there's a cancer growing in Christianity...a cancer that dictates we must protect Israel no matter what barbaric things they do or we do in their protection. Where exactly did Jesus say/imply these things?
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What did he say that wasn't correct? Fact is that many nations have done some horrible things in the name of some religion. Things that directly contradict what their god professes. Presently, there's a cancer growing in Christianity...a cancer that dictates we must protect Israel no matter what barbaric things they do or we do in their protection. Where exactly did Jesus say/imply these things?
For centuries Government have defaced religions and used religion to further their own political agenda. Claiming that Christianity in some manner responsible for what Hitler did in Germany is insanity... A strong religious population weakens dependence on government. How can one worship the Government if they worship God? Those that want bigger and bigger government to power their war machine are the first ones to attempt to remove God or replace him.

Government will wage war in the name of Religions that want nothing to do with their wars... don't be the guy that falls for it your better than that.

They will also use Race and Class...
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For centuries Government have defaced religions and used religion to further their own political agenda. Claiming that Christianity in some manner responsible for what Hitler did in Germany is insanity... A strong religious population weakens dependence on government. How can one worship the Government if they worship God? Those that want bigger and bigger government to power their war machine are the first ones to attempt to remove God or replace him.

Government will wage war in the name of Religions that want nothing to do with their wars... don't be the guy that falls for it your better than that.

They will also use Race and Class...
Well said.
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I'm confused...haven't some of you been perpetuating the act of violence against those that have allegedly perpetuated violence against Christians in the M.E. and Israel? In the case of Israel, these people that got a couple rocks thrown at them weren't even Christians, per say.
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For centuries Government have defaced religions and used religion to further their own political agenda. Claiming that Christianity in some manner responsible for what Hitler did in Germany is insanity... A strong religious population weakens dependence on government. How can one worship the Government if they worship God? Those that want bigger and bigger government to power their war machine are the first ones to attempt to remove God or replace him.

Government will wage war in the name of Religions that want nothing to do with their wars... don't be the guy that falls for it your better than that.

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Well said.
My point was not that Christianity was responsible for Nazi Germany. Where would you even get that?

My point was that Christians were deceived! How else do you have something so evil in a nation that was almost entirely self-identified as Christian???????

This is a vital question to grapple with! Have you entertained it? Obviously neither of you have. Otherwise you would have understood my point. My interest is not by any means in denigrating Christ or Christianity. My interest is in separating the name of Christ from murder and butchery. I'm sorry for your sake that this offends you.

My point is that Christians should stop being dupes for liars and murderers like DenniSSS Prager or Dick Cheney or Himmler or Abraham Lincoln or Woodrow Wilson or Roosevelt (either) or........

All I've done is point out that "good" Christian people have done some horrible things. For heaven's sake, look at what "good" protestant Christians did to native Americans!

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In 1933, prior to the annexation of Austria into Germany, the Christian population of Germany was 67% Protestant and 33% Catholic.[1] A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates 54% considered themselves Protestant, (including non-denominational Christians) and 40% Catholic. 3.5% self-identified as "gottgläubig" (lit. "believers in god", often described as predominately creationist and deistic[3]), and 1.5% non-religious. Most of this latter 5% were committed Nazis, who left the churches in response and encouragement of the Nazi Party program to reduce the influence of the Christian churches in Germany.[4] Most members of the Nazi Party, however, were Christians. Composed mostly by members of the Lutheran Evangelical tradition, members of the apostate Nazi inspired Positive Christianity sect and some of the Catholic faith tradition respectively. By mid-1933 it was mandated by law no one could be employed in the Trade Unions or Civil Service without being a member of the Nazi Party.
The Nazi Fuehrer Adolf Hitler stated repeatedly Nazism was founded on science not faith.[5] There was some diversity of personal views among the Nazi leadership as to the future of religion in Germany. Anti-Church radicals included Hitler's Personal Secretary Martin Bormann and Minister for Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, the neo-pagan official Nazi Philosopher Alfred Rosenberg and security chief Heinrich Himmler. Some Nazis, such as Hans Kerrl, who served as Hitler's Minister for Church Affairs, believed Christianity could be Nazified into "Positive Christianity", by renouncing its Jewish origins, the Old Testament and Apostle's Creed, and holding Hitler as a new "Messiah". Hitler himself believed that in the long run, National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, but was prepared temporarily to restrain some of his more radical instincts out of political considerations.
Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people—their attitudes, values and mentalities—into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances.[6] Under the Gleichschaltung process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches. The plan failed, and was resisted by the Confessing Church. Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate political catholicism. Amid harassment of the Church, the Reich concordat treaty with the Vatican was signed in 1933, and promised to respect Church autonomy. Hitler routinely disregarded the Concordat, closing all Catholic institutions whose functions were not strictly religious. Clergy, nuns, and lay leaders were targeted, with thousands of arrests over the ensuing years. The Church accused the regime of "fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church". Smaller religious minorities such as the Jehovah's Witnesses and Bahá'í Faith were banned in Germany, while the eradication of Judaism by the genocide of its adherents was attempted. The Salvation Army, Christian Saints and Seventh Day Adventist Church all disappeared from Germany, while Astrologers, Healers and Fortune tellers were banned. The small pagan "German Faith Movement", which worshipped the sun and seasons, supported the Nazis.[7] It is generally believed by historians that Hitler and the Nazis intended to eradicate Christianity in Germany after winning victory in the war.[8][9]]
So when Mr. Prager asserts that "America can not be great without God", presumably he means that Nazi Germany was great.
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Good stuff, Mepps. God help us all if Democracy becomes the rule of the land.
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