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Old 10-26-2008, 07:34 PM   #31
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

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hehe. No Tone we work much more than that. But our 3 italian team members have a waaaay big lot of time for diving indeed in their real lives: Maurizio, the guy who ranked 4th, is a self employed salesman of wetsuits (and of course he's got to test the wetsuits before selling... ...), while Bruno who ranked 9th place is a rescue diver for the Fire Dept. (and you always give a peek underwater to check if someone eventually needs to be rescued ), and Stefano (17th) works with his wife as a seafood restaurant owner: "Honey, if you need some more fish for the kitchen..."
Fancy meetin you here Spago, thx for shedding some light on the matter, I was close though.

I've heard over and over the importance of scouting, and indeed it seems to make or break the winners I guess at this, level as already mentioned, these guys are all pretty close in skill, its just a matter of finding the fish. With that in mind its a bit surprising the Venz. did not rank higher in their home water.

Dave so the scout can acually handle the fish? Is it common for scouts to dive with the contestant? Just wondering if such is the case why the African guy was carrying his fish on him?

It would be interesting to throw a World over in the States, hmmm food for thought (not debate)
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:43 PM   #32
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3 years ago at the European Champs the spanish had sent 18 divers (on scuba too) to scout the comp field for two straight weeks, taking land marks and Gps points of every grouper hole, sargo hole, eels and meagres miles around.
So, they scout on scuba.......interesting.

Did they do that in Venezula for this event?
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:56 PM   #33
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

I don't know if they used scuba equipment for their scouting in Venezuela. I do know that the spaniards visited the area at least three times in the last few months, and took gps readings of the good spots. However, if familiarity with the area were the only, or even the main reason, for winning the championship, then the Venezuelans should have won easily, and they didn't. In fact the Venezuelan federation designated the national team choosing only spearos who live in Margarita island and knew the zone as the palms of their hands. Last year the championship was in Portugal and was won by a Chilean.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:28 AM   #34
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Scuba scouting is not allowed at CMAS Spearfishing World Championships, at least not in recent years. But I don't think many police this issue if you scouted 6 months in advance. The big rule change for this World event was allowing the use of GPS. Historically, use of GPS was banned. You had to use triangulation to re-locate fishy areas which can be difficult at times.

The competitors are supposed to bring every fish they spear and hand it to the judge on the boat who puts the fish in a big bag. Usually, the judge will let teammate (a pre-tournament scout) who is sitting in the boat pick up the fish and hand it to the judge.

It is against the rules to wear a stringer and hang on to fish. That's why that diver got in trouble. It is also against the rule to ditch fish, Undersize fish give divers negative points at the weigh-in. Lots of rules!
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Old 10-27-2008, 03:01 AM   #35
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

We are a bit disheartened Jaco Blignaut was disqualified after being 2nd (day 1) for body-stringing his fish. He's a great guy and an excellent diver. He's also using our Fins and Guns...


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Old 10-27-2008, 08:59 AM   #36
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

VIVA ESPANA!!!!!!!! OLE, OLE, OLE!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations to my Countrymen!!!! it is great to them do well in an International/World setting. I can only image the amount of talent that the tournament drew from all over the world. Spear Fishing in Spain is something that we take very seriously and we have a great number of fabulous competitive spearos that put in lots of time in the water and work very hard to get sponsorships and put our country in the top of the rankings.
GREAT JOB GUYS!!!!! and congratulations to all that qualified for such event
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:29 AM   #37
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Sideris finished second. That is unbelievable considering that the Greek team (like the American one) does not have the resources and time to scout as much as the "heavy hitters" (Spain, Italy).
I am assuming that the top finishers were diving VERY deep. I know that Sideris along with the spaniards and italians can hunt effectively in 120 fsw. On the website, there is a picture of Sideris holding two groupers.

Harolf, congratulations, man 10th place is extremely good especially in such a competitive field.
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:40 AM   #38
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

I'm surprised that the US Team officials allow a cheater to be a member on the Team. I personally wouldn't want Harolf representing anything related to the United States.

Besides that unfortunate incident, great information on this thread and thank you for sharing it Mr. Edlund. Congratulations to the winners and the fortunate participants.

Two questions:

1. Why hasn't the US ever been considered as a valid venue for the Championships?

2. In order to even the playing field, has the option of only allowing a certain amount of time to scout prior to the 2 day event ever been considered?
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:17 AM   #39
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Viva España

Great for my Countrymen, the Spanish Team!!!!!!!!

Congratulations to Harolf for his place 10 th both days, he really was consistent.

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Old 10-27-2008, 11:45 AM   #40
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CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Hello Skindivers,

News from Venezuela http://mundialpescasub2008cmas.fvas.com.ve/

The Spaniards clean up house again. USA finished in 8th place beating several favorites.

Our own USA Skindiver Harold Dean finished 10th place amongts the best divers in the world.

Check out the pictures http://mundialpescasub2008cmas.fvas.com.ve/

Official results are attached.

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CLASIFICACIÓN INDIVIDUAL DEFINITIVA / INDIVIDUAL RESULTS

PO Nº ATLETA / ATHLETE PAÍS / COUNTRY 1er. Día 2do. Día TOTAL

1 17 Joseba Kerejeta Espana 100,000 81,705 181,705
2 32 Loannis Sideris Grecia 73,592 93,075 166,667
3 18 Pedro Carbonell Espana 85,055 69,674 154,729
4 36 Maurizio Ramaccttio Italia 65,462 74,721 140,183
5 13 Daniel Gospić Croacia 60,263 74,090 134,353
6 45 Andre Domingues Portugal 10,013 100,000 110,013
7 63 Alex Ortega Venezuela 56,581 48,636 105,217
8 16 Juan Fuentes Espana 97,401 0,000 97,401
9 34 Bruno de Silvestri Italia 24,725 63,146 87,871
10 21 Harol Dean Estados Unidos 54,065 31,426 85,491
11 15 Antonio Buratović Croacia 62,779 18,354 81,133
12 61 Jhony Reyes Venezuela 53,682 19,469 73,151
13 28 Kevin Daly Gran Bretana 10,996 58,700 69,696
14 50 Jaco Blignaut Sudafrica 0,000 69,557 69,557
15 52 Zephirin Tarahu Tahiti 44,802 22,755 67,557
16 35 Stefano Bellani Italia 30,157 37,309 67,466
17 26 Benoist David Francia 58,147 8,803 66,950
18 7 Miguel Soto Chile 36,654 24,780 61,434
19 43 Jody Lot Portugal 38,104 20,188 58,292
20 5 Paulo Longo Brasil 33,939 19,880 53,819
21 44 Antonio Silva Portugal 19,743 27,964 47,707
22 14 Dario Marinov Croacia 31,856 14,847 46,703
23 9 Franco Bosquez Chile 32,239 11,414 43,653
24 58 Roman Fedash Ucrania 17,944 19,249 37,193
25 42 Carlos Fung Peru 7,398 28,638 36,036
26 39 Kieran Andrews Nueva Zelanda 0,000 32,277 32,277
27 2 Drew Fenney Australia -11,080 43,104 32,024
28 62 Jhony Ortega Venezuela 0,000 26,951 26,951
29 25 Lossy Loic Francia 6,781 19,263 26,044
30 46 Kuznestsov Mikhail Rusia 0,000 24,795 24,795
31 1 Paul Roso Australia 23,409 0,000 23,409
32 53 Tsiou Fouc Franck Tahiti 21,276 0,734 22,010
33 60 Andrii Lagutin Ucrania 14,812 6,661 21,473
34 4 Fernando Thoni Brasil 11,080 9,844 20,924
35 20 Mike Hickey Estados Unidos 20,560 0,000 20,560
36 8 Jorge Rodriguez Chile 23,292 -5,854 17,438
37 41 Daniel Márquez Peru 0,000 16,021 16,021
38 49 Gyula Plagany Sudafrica 10,213 0,000 10,213
39 3 Paul Christie Australia 10,080 0,000 10,080
40 37 Peter Herbert Nueva Zelanda 0,000 9,478 9,478
41 51 Alan Fraser Sudafrica 0,000 7,350 7,350
42 11 Nicolás Milanes Colombia 6,898 0,000 6,898
43 30 Keith Eayrs Gran Bretana 10,663 -3,903 6,760
44 33 Emmanouil Peristeris Grecia 0,000 6,485 6,485
45 67 Julian Lockett Peru 0,000 6,162 6,162
46 31 Nikolaos Kambanis Grecia 0,000 6,059 6,059
47 64 Teva Montagnon Tahiti 0,000 5,986 5,986
48 57 Volkan Demircioğlu Turquia -4,432 6,426 1,994
49 6 Georges Martens Brasil 0,000 0,000 0,000
50 10 Jorge Pareja Colombia 0,000 0,000 0,000
51 12 Hebert Delgado Colombia 0,000 0,000 0,000
52 23 Rapo Jukka Tom Finlandia 0,000 0,000 0,000
53 24 Levonen Jukka Tapio Finlandia 0,000 0,000 0,000
54 29 David Pearce Gran Bretana 0,000 0,000 0,000
55 38 Shane Fitzmaurice Nueva Zelanda 0,000 0,000 0,000
56 40 Mario Espinoza Peru 0,000 0,000 0,000
57 47 Alexander Kochetrov Rusia 0,000 0,000 0,000
58 48 Olga Surgakora Rusia 0,000 0,000 0,000
59 54 Steve Tetuani Tahiti 0,000 0,000 0,000
60 56 Selim Konya Turquia 0,000 0,000 0,000
61 59 Sergii Kozlenko Ucrania 0,000 0,000 0,000
62 65 Salakari Marko Finlandia 0,000 0,000 0,000
63 66 Mille Christian Francia 0,000 0,000 0,000
64 68 Anthony Heugh Australia 0,000 0,000 0,000
65 19 Miguel Guinovart Estados Unidos -4,432 0,000 -4,432
66 22 Laakso Pertti Rudolf Finlandia -4,432 0,000 -4,432
67 27 Bonci David Francia -8,864 0,000 -8,864
68 55 Hakan Gencer Turquia 0,000 -11,708 -11,708
69 0,000
70 0,000

CLASIFICACIÓN DEFINITIVA POR PAÍSES / TEAM RESULTS

POS PAÍS / COUNTRY 1er. Día 2do. Día TOTAL

1 Espana 282,456 151,379 433,84
2 Italia 120,344 175,176 295,52
3 Croacia 154,898 107,291 262,19
4 Portugal 67,860 148,152 216,01
5 Venezuela 110,263 95,056 205,32
6 Grecia 73,592 105,619 179,21
7 Chile 92,185 30,340 122,53
8 Estados Unidos 70,193 31,426 101,62
9 Tahiti 66,078 29,475 95,55
10 Sudafrica 10,213 76,907 87,12
11 Francia 56,064 28,066 84,13
12 Gran Bretana 21,659 54,797 76,46
13 Brasil 45,019 29,724 74,74
14 Australia 22,409 43,104 65,51
15 Ucrania 32,756 25,910 58,67
16 Peru 7,398 50,821 58,22
17 Nueva Zelanda 0,000 41,755 41,76
18 Rusia 0,000 24,795 24,80
19 Colombia 6,898 0,000 6,90
20 Finlandia -4,432 0,000 -4,43
21 Turquia -4,432 -5,282 -9,71
22 0,000 0,000 0,00
23 0,000 0,000 0,00
24 0,000 0,000 0,00
25 0,000 0,000 0,00
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:19 PM   #41
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Thanks for the update Erik.

Here's some more info From SA:

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well what can i say besides that it was a royal fiasco. Day 1 saw all our divers in the deep on some rocks in 38m of water just to find a screaming current and no fish. back up plan was then implemented with the guys going for spots that have fish in the shallower water just to find divers on the spots and no fish. gyula went for a definite and speared a rock salmon of 2.2kg out of a cave against the island. jaco went to a cave that you enter and then swim 15m to a air bubble. he then swam from this air pocket to another 10m further into the cave. then from there he would swim to the end on the cave and he speared 9 rubberlips there with 8 weighers. he came second on day one. when we went on stage to weigh they announced that he had been disqualified for using a body stringer which was illegal. we almost fell on our backs. the body stringer rule was an obvious rule that we new about as there is a danger that a shark could bite a diver if the fish are on his belt. jaco had put a stringer on a weight and left it on the bottom of the cave and was stringing there which is not illegal. a Chilean diver had lodged a complaint that jaco was using a body stringer which was untrue. jacos commissioner on the boat even backed him up so we where sure that we could get it over turned. sa was 5th on day 1 without the disqualification.
we lodged an official appeal.

day 2 saw even a bigger disaster. a false start saw about 30 divers starting to dive before official start. this was not the divers fault but the organizers and the commissioners on the boats who said the divers must go. our divers listen to the commissioners. thew committee organizers caught 9 divers in the water diving as the had been told that the comp had started. they where then told that the 9 where disqualified including gyula and moo. gyulas boat was then taken from him and given to a Croatian and off the Croatian, Daniel Gospic, went with gyula’s boat and gear. day two was a 4 hour comp and gyula only received a boat almost 3 hours onto ther comp with no gear. he eventually got his gear but was seriously dehydrated from the hour on the boat in a suit in 30 degrees plus.

jaco did it again going head to head with top divers in a cave and managed 8 fish, 7 weighers. putting him in second overall and the team 6th .

we later heard that they where standing to the disqualification on jaco and that was that. we fought it to the end but they did not even give us a hearing or anything. just a disqualification due to the Chilean divers statement, that is all.
we appealed and appealed and they changed the story so many time, from that he had a body stringer to that the weight stringer was illegal to many more.

basically in black and white. sa came 10th with jaco as best diver at 14.

jaco actually came second overall with the team coming 6th even with the false start fiasco. we would have definitely came in the top 5 if gyula and moo had a full 4 hours.

well done gent and especially jaco. event rammachotti from italy was amongst many that came to congratulate jaco and said that they did not understand the disqualifications.

any way we have a 3day trip back home so i will add more once home.

the team is devastated on the outcomer and the happenings that i and many teams and captains do still not understand.


thanks mark
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:34 PM   #42
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Talking Change Of Subject

REMEMBERING THE POST FROM MAY OF THE SPEARBOARD COMPETITION THAT ALL YOU MEMBERS WERE TALKING SH*T ABOUT THE SPETTON TEAM CHEATING AND MAINLY TALKING BAD ABOUT HAROLF DEAN SAYING HE CHEATED ON EVERY COMPETITION WHAT DO YOU PPL HAVE TO SAY NOW THAT CUBAN FREEDIVER FROM MIAMI REPRESTEND THE UNITED STATES TEAM AND CAME OUT IN 10TH OUT OF 68 DIVERS AND FIRST TIME AN AMERICAN COMES OUT IN THE TOP 10....HOW DID HE CHEAT NOW?????
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...WHAT DO YOU PPL HAVE TO SAY NOW THAT CUBAN FREEDIVER FROM MIAMI REPRESTEND THE UNITED STATES TEAM AND CAME OUT IN 10TH OUT OF 68 DIVERS ...HOW DID HE CHEAT NOW?????
I say that he should not have been allowed to compete. He is a known spearfishing cheater and should not have been representing the USA. It has nothing to do with how well he can dive. Are we SURE he didn't cheat again? Does he only cheat when he thinks he can get away with it? Has he decided to stop cheating in future tournaments?
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I say that he should not have been allowed to compete. He is a known spearfishing cheater and should not have been representing the USA. It has nothing to do with how well he can dive. Are we SURE he didn't cheat again? Does he only cheat when he thinks he can get away with it? Has he decided to stop cheating in future tournaments?


His success in this competition does nothing to refute the fact that he cheated in the Spearboard Open and got caught red-handed (finally ) In my opinion those actions should have warranted him being removed from the US Team and having his sponsors drop him. Maybe he should go represent Cuba next time instead of the US.
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Re: CMAS World Freedive Spearfishing Championships

Obviously You Dont Know How These Competitions Work...theres No Way To Cheat In These Competitions And All Of You Are Talking Speculations Because Theres No 100% Proof That He Cheated Its All Hear Say...you Guys Are A Bunch Of Jealous Spearfishermen That Cant And Never Will Fish At His Level And If You Ever Want To Compete Agiasnt This Person Or Spetton Team I Can Easily Set It Up....
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