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Old 06-18-2018, 08:15 PM   #2191
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AAnd im glad you didnt shoot at the tog. TOG SEASON IS CLOSED.
That's what I thought too.
About the safe, I still like to have one, just in case you pull the trigger by mistake. Well, don't complain, that Striper I missed maybe for you now.
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:36 PM   #2192
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A speargun safety is kinda pointless. It isnt anymore safe with it on. It can still go off. Most guys myself includeing remove them. Lots of shot opps lost in low vis water where you only have seconds to shoot. And im glad you didnt shoot at the tog. TOG SEASON IS CLOSED.



What? New divers please don't read and believe this. Use your safety.

I've never had a speargun nor real gun just "go off", and i'm hard on my equipment. At a place like Squan with multiple divers in a tight area, i'd hope people are using their safety.


When i'm with my dive buddy, and we're waching each other up/down, i'll take off my safety for my entire dive under, safety "on" on the surface with gun pointed up when he's down.......multiple divers? safety is on until i'm ready to shoot. even floating at the surface, your gun may be pointed down, and a diver comes up right under you, hits your gun, you jerk your finger and the safety could be the only thing that saves his life.

you're telling me it's such an inconvenience to you that you take it out completely? come on man!
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:11 PM   #2193
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When are you diving squan when it's that thick your surfacing under someone? I keep a minimum distance of the effective range of a speargun from a person until we both lock eyes and understand that we are both in an area. Guns are only as safe as the person handling it safety or not. Just keep your booger hook off the bang switch and don't muzzle sweep like an ignorant POS. Idk how you're watching youre dive buddy go anywhere in jersey 9/10 days I can't see 6 feet down let alone the person I'm diving with 15+ feet down. You want to be safe just avoid a crowd like that to begin with.

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Old 06-19-2018, 02:12 PM   #2194
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What? New divers please don't read and believe this. Use your safety.



I've never had a speargun nor real gun just "go off", and i'm hard on my equipment. At a place like Squan with multiple divers in a tight area, i'd hope people are using their safety.



When i'm with my dive buddy, and we're waching each other up/down, i'll take off my safety for my entire dive under, safety "on" on the surface with gun pointed up when he's down.......multiple divers? safety is on until i'm ready to shoot. even floating at the surface, your gun may be pointed down, and a diver comes up right under you, hits your gun, you jerk your finger and the safety could be the only thing that saves his life.



you're telling me it's such an inconvenience to you that you take it out completely? come on man!


The so called safety is a false security. It is common knowledge. Plenty of threads on the forums on this topic.

Never point your gun at something you donít want to kill. Thatís the only safety.

If it is so damn cloudy on your spots maybe you should consider not loading your gun before it is your turn to dive?
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:25 PM   #2195
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https://youtu.be/KgjVRIGf1zs
7 minutes of fun dudes !
Please appreciate the colors, it's no small work to show color at 20 ft depth, even in super clean water like this day.
last sunday at BI. It's probably a Striper at 2 minutes, but I was not sure and it looked small. The one I saw after that was much bigger.
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:35 PM   #2196
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What? New divers please don't read and believe this. Use your safety.

I've never had a speargun nor real gun just "go off", and i'm hard on my equipment. At a place like Squan with multiple divers in a tight area, i'd hope people are using their safety.


When i'm with my dive buddy, and we're waching each other up/down, i'll take off my safety for my entire dive under, safety "on" on the surface with gun pointed up when he's down.......multiple divers? safety is on until i'm ready to shoot. even floating at the surface, your gun may be pointed down, and a diver comes up right under you, hits your gun, you jerk your finger and the safety could be the only thing that saves his life.

you're telling me it's such an inconvenience to you that you take it out completely? come on man!
Im not gonna start a computer arguement. Go post up a thread and see who uses a safety and who removes them. Its nothing like a firearm safety. And spearguns do go off without being fired all the time.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:00 PM   #2197
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I had a speargun shoot without trigger being pulled. Luckily there was nobody in front of it. It ended up being worn sear which i replaced. Ever since that i don’t trust speargun safety.
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:08 PM   #2198
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Heck, Abellans donít even come with a safety.


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Old 06-20-2018, 06:22 AM   #2199
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The safety on a speargun doesn't make the gun safe, just a bit safer... just like a seatbelt doesn't make a car safe, just a bit safer. Maybe you guys would be more inclined to use it if it were call a safer, and not a safety?

Not remembering to take the safety off when about to shoot is just an error that you should live up to, and not bypass a safety feature. So come on man, be responsible, use a safety on your gun, along with everything else like not pointing it at people/things you don't want dead. (Not sure why you guys make it seem like if I use the safety on my gun then I'll be pointing it at everyone, believing that its 100% safe)'



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The so called safety is a false security. It is common knowledge. Plenty of threads on the forums on this topic.

Never point your gun at something you donít want to kill. Thatís the only safety.

If it is so damn cloudy on your spots maybe you should consider not loading your gun before it is your turn to dive?
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:08 AM   #2200
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Speargun safety's make guys walk down jetty's with loaded guns through fisherman and famillys. Then they say…… well i got the safety on.
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:21 AM   #2201
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Speargun safety's make guys walk down jetty's with loaded guns through fisherman and famillys. Then they sayÖÖ well i got the safety on.
lol checkmate
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Old 06-20-2018, 12:14 PM   #2202
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Spearguns do misfire.

In fact I have seen more than one misfire and had one misfire myself that could have been pretty bad. I was transferring the gun from the loading position to my hand and it went off then sent the butt of the gun into the soft spot just below my sternum. It hit me so hard i had to lay on my back with my hand around the boat motor until I could climb back in boat. If it hit me in the head it would have knocked me out or painfully removed all my teeth.

Like nilsonov said safeties do not mean safe but they can definitely help. I've never had an accidental trigger pull from line or a finger in the mech but a safety can definitely help prevent acidental trigger pull firing. A safety is an added weapon to help avoid firing mistakes due to speargun safety mistakes. Aka finger in trigger when it shouldn't be or line etc catching the trigger. Which none of us are immune too. It won't help true misfires though.

That said I don't use a safety because the mechs I use now don't have one. My mechs are way safer than what I had been using. Would they be even safer with a safety?...definitely. People don't realize all these mechs are not created equal. When I took the misfire mech apart I was sort of shocked at the way it failed and how it relied on a piece that was so easy see the potential of failure. A safety does nothing in true misfires like this. I would say take a hard look at the triggers in your guns even from the most common and the most respected guns available.

Moral of the story is use everything you can to avoid firing when you don't intend to but don't ever count on that speargun not to go off or even needing a trigger pull to go off.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:16 PM   #2203
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I believe Mako reported that one common cause of misfire, although it's not technically 'misfire', is when the spear breaks at the notch indent. Since there is less steel precisely where the force is applied, that makes sense.
That's why they make 'teeth shark' spears. There is no weakness in the metal where the force applies, but then the gun has to be in 'open muzzle' configuration, which makes a joyous mess of lines sometimes. I can't speak of the precision, or lack of, open muzzle vs closed muzzle, since I have only shot fish at close range so far.

Regarding true misfiring, you better indeed never point your gun at anybody, not even in the direction of the jetty. But once I saw a guy walking on the jetty with a loaded gun.

I don't even want to consider if he was a beginner or not. There are things that go without saying, and if you can't figure obvious things by yourself, well, what else can't you figure out ?

What I do is that I disengage the safe just before a dive and reengage during ascent.
But the Mako guns are very sensitive to complete jamming or semi-jamming and that's what happened to me. I thought the safe was disengaged while I fact I had just pushed the safe button maybe 3/4 of the way until a felt enough resistance, because of a small grain of sand perhaps.

Back to visibility, how long do you think we can hope to enjoy the clear water ? 3 weeks, more ?
Last year it was over in August.
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Old 06-20-2018, 01:35 PM   #2204
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Back to visibility, how long do you think we can hope to enjoy the clear water ? 3 weeks, more ?Last year it was over in August.
Get on it today before we lose it. Rain tonight and more on Saturday. East winds and windswell fill in tomorrow afternoon.

Longterm forecast looks like consistent south winds following this weekend with small but consistent short period south swell.
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Old 06-21-2018, 07:13 AM   #2205
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Ric vis was over in august 3 years ago. Last 2 years its been over week 3-4 in July.
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