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Old 10-05-2017, 08:21 AM   #46
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:24 AM   #47
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:12 AM   #48
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:28 AM   #49
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Las Vegas Sheriff: "You Got To Assume Shooter Had Help" As "Mystery Woman" Emerges

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"You got to make the assumption he had to have help at some point, and we want to insure that’s the answer. Maybe he’s a super guy,"
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Marcus, In the back of my mind I sincerely hope that it was a multi shooter conspiracy hit for only one reason...

If any one Joe Blow can compile a combination of enough fire power without any oversights or restrictions to put combat grade munitions in 600 civilians a matter of minutes then we as responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment defenders have serious issues to fix. And if we don't take action then we will deserve what we get when somebody else makes it happen. This has nothing to do with race, religion, nor political affiliation. We, meaning gun rights supporters as myself have some dirty diapers to change and it starts with putting our childish fears aside and fix some stupid things we have allowed and even greased the skids to happen.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:53 AM   #51
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Marcus, In the back of my mind I sincerely hope that it was a multi shooter conspiracy hit for only one reason...

If any one Joe Blow can compile a combination of enough fire power without any oversights or restrictions to put combat grade munitions in 600 civilians a matter of minutes then we as responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment defenders have serious issues to fix. And if we don't take action then we will deserve what we get when somebody else makes it happen. This has nothing to do with race, religion, nor political affiliation. We, meaning gun rights supporters as myself have some dirty diapers to change and it starts with putting our childish fears aside and fix some stupid things we have allowed and even greased the skids to happen.
Amen.

Either conspiracy theories or a logical solution.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:22 AM   #52
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Marcus, In the back of my mind I sincerely hope that it was a multi shooter conspiracy hit for only one reason...

If any one Joe Blow can compile a combination of enough fire power without any oversights or restrictions to put combat grade munitions in 600 civilians a matter of minutes then we as responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment defenders have serious issues to fix. And if we don't take action then we will deserve what we get when somebody else makes it happen. This has nothing to do with race, religion, nor political affiliation. We, meaning gun rights supporters as myself have some dirty diapers to change and it starts with putting our childish fears aside and fix some stupid things we have allowed and even greased the skids to happen.
Bullshit. How?

The guy was a pilot. Imagine all the same dipshits looking to ban and restrict general aviation had he flown a plane into those folks, as he could have easily, killing far more.

Why wasn't there a push to enact "common sense Ryder van reform in the wake of the OKC slaughter?

Killers gonna kill. Banning things in response is an idiot's game. It's a losing game. It won't work. Ban gasoline? Ban cars and trucks? Ban airplanes? Ban any substance which could be used to poison municipal water supplies? Ban any possible means of taking down the electric grid and killing millions?

Murder is already illegal. Modifying weapons for full auto fire without onerous paperwork and fees is already illegal.

All that stopped..... Precisely what in LV????

Best of luck placating Killary and Schumer and Comrade Nix and Manmarvel types by taking your poison before they get to pick it for you. The rest of us aren't interested in sipping from your glass.

Mark my words......... Pass a gun ban now, (cynically misnamed "common sense laws") and the shooting and dying have only just begun.

**** you and every other pussy who's already conceding defeat and plotting more "common sense restrictions" to supposedly stop madmen from doing what it is they do. Out of literally millions of federal, local and state "common sense laws", why will one or a hundred new ones achieve some happier result?

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Old 10-05-2017, 11:31 AM   #53
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I'll go ahead & submit my half of the "gun conversation" here:

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Why wasn't there a push to enact "common sense Ryder van reform in the wake of the OKC slaughter?
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Bought any sodium nitrate fertilizer lately?

Mepps, I knew you weren't going to give a shit about handling this in the gun owner circle so if we get stripped I can blame you.
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Marcus, In the back of my mind I sincerely hope that it was a multi shooter conspiracy hit for only one reason...

If any one Joe Blow can compile a combination of enough fire power without any oversights or restrictions to put combat grade munitions in 600 civilians a matter of minutes then we as responsible gun owners and 2nd amendment defenders have serious issues to fix. And if we don't take action then we will deserve what we get when somebody else makes it happen. This has nothing to do with race, religion, nor political affiliation. We, meaning gun rights supporters as myself have some dirty diapers to change and it starts with putting our childish fears aside and fix some stupid things we have allowed and even greased the skids to happen.
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Old 10-05-2017, 11:57 AM   #56
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Where are the videos of him carrying all these weapons/ammo in?? It's GD casino. They have cameras EVERYWHERE. Why haven't they released them??? IMO, you'll never see them...just like so many other 'incidents'.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:13 PM   #57
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Bought any sodium nitrate fertilizer lately?

Mepps, I knew you weren't going to give a shit about handling this in the gun owner circle so if we get stripped I can blame you.
Ammonium nitrates are handled by the ton. No law stops anyone from stealing however much he wants. Any farmer or can buy a semi load of it. So precisely what stops anyone from obtaining it to kill others?

The only thing the laws have accomplished is to place paperwork and bureaucrats in the path of achievers and accomplishers while consoling idiots with soothing ideas of "Saaaaaaaaaaaaafety!" (Bleat for best effect)

I gather you feel quite a lot better.
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Old 10-05-2017, 12:55 PM   #58
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Outlawing won't help. Criminals don't care. Example...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...UCK/truck.html
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Old 10-05-2017, 01:21 PM   #59
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Suggesting additional gun laws is an emotional response that clearly demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills. That is unless you have a hidden agenda. What took place was indeed horrific, but the tool used to inflict mass casualties does not have to be a gun.

As has been previously stated, the killer was a licensed pilot. It doesn't take a very big leap in logic to imagine the killer loading an airplane up with as much incendiary materials as possible and crashing the plane into a crowd of 20,000 to 30,000 people. That would also be a mass casualty event. So let's ban all airplanes. Even better yet, let's stop all planes from flying overhead in the future. Now we can sleep soundly. That's the same logic as calling for additional gun laws.

Another mass casualty event took place very recently in Nice, France. In this event the motivation was Islamic terrorism. But it didn't have to be the motivating factor, any idiot can hop into a 18 wheeler, cement truck, or heavy-duty dump truck. Those barriers for crowd control would be mowed down by a vehicle as if they were not even there. We've all seen cement trucks going down the highway. Now imagine one being stolen and driven at high speed through the barriers into a crowd of 20,000 to 30,000 people. The effect would be analogous to you putting on your biggest pair of Army boots and stomping on an ant mound. No one wants to be the ant in this scenario.

To even entertain the discussion of additional gun laws ignores the fact that there are so many gun laws already on the books, that the passing additional ones is meaningless. Murder is already illegal. Fully automatic weapons are also already illegal. While bump stocks are not currently illegal, that's really irrelevant as the killer would just employ some other method. Calling for additional gun restrictions flies in the face of anyone with critical thinking skills.

How do we know this, look at the Chicago area. Over 18,000 people were victims of gun violence during the years that the fascist ass hole o' bozo was in office. The Chicago area has the strictest gun laws in the nation, yet 18,000 people were victims of gun violence. Math doesn't lie. When 50 people a month are killed in the Chicago area you don't see Jimmy Kimmel, Chuck Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi crying out for more gun laws. The guns laws already exist, yet the gun violence was not eliminated.

You have to face the fact that the progressive liberal left has an agenda and they are exploiting this tragedy to advance that agenda. They don't care about the citizens of this country, what they care about is solidifying their power. If the liberal left actually cared about the sanctity of life they wouldn't be killing babies in the womb. They also would be very concerned about what's taking place on a slow boil over many years in Chicago.

Newsflash! They're not concerned about Chicago citizens or the sanctity of life. What they want to do is strip away the founding documents and the Second Amendment so that they can become our rulers through a fascist regime. And if you don't have a weapon to resist them, their tyranny will have no end. The heavy equipment and big trucks don't kill people, the gun doesn't kill people. People kill other people, and these murderers will use any tools required to get the job done.

Ask the people in Venezuela if they could have their guns back and would they use them against an out-of-control tyrannical government.
That is the future of the US of A if the liberals are successful in additional gun restrictions.

It's not the tool, don't be distracted by emotional cries. the Nice, France TRUCK attack resulted with the deaths of 86 people and the injury of 458 and NO GUN WAS INVOLVED.
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What we really need is a reasonable discussion on banning trucks, obviously.
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