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Old 06-25-2018, 07:08 AM   #16
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

Btw I just shot 175 Lion fish, all on the reef, mostly big ones. There are still a lot out there
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:35 AM   #17
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

$5.50 a lb with the spines on ungutted no bag no permit needed to sell. that will eliminate almost any fish. in this case the removal of an invasive species is good. the lion fish decline is a good example of how efficient we are at harvesting when you put a high price on something edible.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:29 PM   #18
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

{ My apologies in advance for the use of so many acronym letters like ACL, OFL etc. But in working with SEDAR and FWRI, so many people were throwing out different words to mean the same thing but everyone was getting confused. So SEDAR established a list of agreed upon acronyms that everyone understands exactly what that number represents and that's why we use acronyms instead of words.}



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ACL is determined by the acceptable amount of fish that can be taken out of an ecosystem
ABC is actually the amount of fish that can be taken out of the ecosystem before harm. ACL is set below that so no harm is done


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...I’m kinda confused as to why they should increase the ACL because they have found out that the recreational sector is actually killing more fish.
All of the models start with determining the total Biomass. This is the hardest number to agree on... "how many total fish of that species are out there". That number comes from the models which include a bunch of different parameters. One of those key parameters is both the commercial and recreational landings added together.

With the new electronic reporting data, they are finding out there are more fish than they knew existed before. Biomass is actually higher. It's not like the recreationals just magically increased their numbers by 10%-20% or 30% in just the last 2 years with no other reason than electronic reporting. So there is more fish in the biomass, but how many? That's what SEDAR does. They go back and determine the new biomass number based on the new electronic reporting.

But since there is no money or time for SEDAR, the Magnuson Steven's law mandates that if the higher new landings exceed OFL then the the AM-accountability measures MUST be put in place. Then everyone can argue about it later (Eco's, Comm's, Rec's, etc)

None of us will really know anything until next Monday July 2nd when the numbers are published. I'm hoping they give us current OFL, ABC & ACL along with both the new numbers and the old numbers for Comm landings, & Rec landings all on the same page so it's easy to compare and see what's new. We'll see on Monday.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:53 PM   #19
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Thanks John for trying to keep us informed..
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