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View Poll Results: Please Guess the Weight of this Warsaw Grouper | |||
Between 30 - 39 pounds | 7 | 12.96% | |
Between 40 - 49 pounds | 4 | 7.41% | |
Between 50 - 59 pounds | 0 | 0% | |
Between 60 - 69 pounds | 6 | 11.11% | |
Between 70 - 79 pounds | 17 | 31.48% | |
Between 80 - 89 pounds | 11 | 20.37% | |
Between 90 - 100 pounds | 9 | 16.67% | |
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08-24-2010, 07:07 AM | #46 | |
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08-24-2010, 07:08 AM | #47 | |
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enjoying the glass houses being knocked down. Its always great reading when Jobert gets involved ,this man knows his sh!!. I know ,lets start an underwater cage match,built your the ref. my money is on Tony, especially if its a deep cage. |
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08-24-2010, 07:28 AM | #48 | ||
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You do not change the rules a week before the tournament based on fish reports in order to give the local shooters an advantage, lie about it and then lie some more. You all call Tony out for integrity issues and then pull a stunt like this. Please! Get a clue. "Safety concerns" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Yeah I agree. It is a tough pill to swallow. That right there would have been the winning fish. It is amazing to me how such a prestigious tournament could so compromise its integrity. This thread is a black eye for the SPO. It should be deleted. No, it would be like having a billfish tournament and due to a rivlary with the east coast and a recent saturation of, lets say swordfish, at the last minute, having a secret vote to ban swordfish and attribute it to a liability issue due to their unpredictable nature. Anyone entering a kingfish tournament clearly knows way ahead of time that only kingfish are allowed. This is a spearfishing tournament and warsaw is a legal sportfish. If the deep diving concerns were valid, your tournament would be concerned with depth and not fish. Dont be stupid and dont expect others to be so either. It is very easy to see thru the BULLSHIT. |
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08-24-2010, 07:31 AM | #49 | |
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Ref? Im in Tonys corner. These hypocrits can kiss my ass. |
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08-24-2010, 07:33 AM | #50 |
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Howie and I are actually sending friendly PMs to each other now.
I do apologize to Matt Joswig and Ken Jones for any angst they are suffering as a result of these Internet jousting matches. Guys, I know you are good people and great spearos. One thing you will not see me do is lash into Howie on a vile personal level. For me, that is not appropriate and shows a low level of maturity. However, I might poke a little fun at him. In fact, we had a meeting and secret votes were cast. The good news is that Howie won the 2010 Bloody Chicken Trophy as I promised would be presented near the end of this episode. Now that is over, I have invited Howie Hogsniper to come spearing on my boat this weekend to hopefully see some warsaws for the first time for him. The offer is open and awaiting his decision.
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08-24-2010, 07:37 AM | #51 |
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08-24-2010, 09:30 AM | #52 | |
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So let me get this straight...you shot a barely mediocre model of one of the easiest to approach fish in the ocean(~20% of their max size), and you are publically patting yourself on the back!?!?!? Your need to make yourself feel important is bordering on clinical.
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BY THE WAY...how did it taste??? You did eat it right??? Last edited by Mattedhead; 08-24-2010 at 09:44 AM. |
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08-24-2010, 09:31 AM | #53 |
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Rule Changes huh?? I didn't see any big deals when they made Red Snapper its own category in the Southern Open the night of the CAPTAINS MEETING...
I know the "Captains Meetings" aren't really a big deal for your tournaments, BUT that's where you find out about rules and ASK about rules you aren't sure on... If one would have been at the Captains Meeting, one would know to not shoot and bring a warsaw to the weigh ins.............. |
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In fact, one large sponsor who dropped out in a prior year came back this year. There has actually been a surge in marketing budget allocations towards the Internet, especially for venues with family-friendly content and lots of visitor traffic. This is happening even with the down economy. Howie and Chris were doing the same thing at the Blue Wild Expo. They were going around to potential sponsors and saying buy from us because our rates are so small compared to spearboard. All I have to say to the sponsors is yeah right -look at their traffic - you get what you pay for. Matt, all the innuendo in the world that you spew is not changing the basic dynamic of the marketplace. Sorry to burst bubbles here, but Howie and Chris are chasing dollars just like everyone else. More power to them in the American way of free enterprise.
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08-24-2010, 10:00 AM | #56 |
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Damm tasty dude! The meat is solid white and firm.
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Spearmax first started diving deep in 08/2007, as shown by his scamp harvest at 330' here, only months before he planned to shoot this big warsaw for the SPO: http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=50735 Man, that sure isn't a whole lot of experience in diving for warsaw at 300+' depths is it? Get certified, shoot a 6 lb scamp and all of a sudden one is ready for the big game? In any case, he states in his own threads that others are making the same plans. So obviously "warsaw fever" was going around, and people were obviously PUSHING their experience level for the tournament. Allowing warsaw in the SPO would obviously increase liablilty, no ifs ands or buts. Tony in the thread above, along with many others, stated he was going very deep for a warsaw, and he wasn't the only one i.e. Hudgens and "several other people" in his own words. Being faced with the influx of people seeking these extremely deep water fish, it was the club's decision to either accept whatever potential liability could be or be responsibe and reject it. Although I would love to contend for 1st place grouper out of my home port with a warsaw, I also understand their reasoning and rule and think it is extremely responsible. Many people don't seem to get it: the SPUCs can easily come over and dive off sebastian and shoot a big warsaw off our deep wrecks if they wanted to, and blow their own record straight out of the water. They just seem to have the common sense NOT to. Last edited by inletsurf; 08-24-2010 at 10:39 AM. |
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08-24-2010, 10:33 AM | #58 |
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There you go Tony, you called out "who" these individuals are, and you stated in your own thread that there were "SEVERAL" that you planned to follow, all pushing their experience levels to get a big warsaw. You weren't diving shallow, you had just got certified on trimix a month or two prior (you even have a photo of your new card in your thread), you proceeded directly to shoot a scamp at 330', which was the same month that you shot the warsaw that earned you 2nd place in the SPO, also shot deep.
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FWIW I am not a SPUC, nor do I care to follow any club mentality. But it is obviously clear to me that if I were the SPO tournament, that I would also prefer not to allow warsaw to protect people who were too stupid for their own damn good, as well as my club from potential legal liability.
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08-24-2010, 10:43 AM | #60 | |
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The fishy thing this year is that warsaws are plentiful in shallower waters on the east coast and many big ones are landed. All of a sudden, the SPUCs ban warsaws and do not make it public? That smells. : The issue is not about liability or safety. I say to you that the liability exposure is pretty much the same no matter what species is being targeted. Look at the waiver the SPUCs make you sign. Ask a lawyer my friend. If that was the issue, depth limits would be far more approriate as well as diving certification proof for the SPUCs to reduce any potential liability. But, then again, that might restrict their ability to bring in the big black groupers. They would not want to do that....duh!
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