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Old 06-17-2018, 08:51 AM   #1
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Lion fish population declining?

Observation from my neck of the waters ( Sebastian Inlet): noticed significant decline of Lion fish population. When we started targeting them couple of years ago we used to get 75-100 lbs a trip. Over last couple of weeks we only got 5-10 lbs. We used to see them on every dive, now we see them every 2-3 dives and usually a couple of fish on the reef. Are our removal efforts so efficient or some other factors are taking tool on their population? I am posting in both, East coast and Invasive Species forums becasue I am interested in local observations.
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:54 AM   #2
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

I see the decline as well. I lend it to the fact that they now have a decent price on their head.. im sure a couple native species are figuring out they can eat them as well, probably while the lionfish are small.
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Old 06-17-2018, 11:40 AM   #3
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

I’ve noticed a decline in the Keys after the hurricane. I’ve also heard they’ve just moved to deeper water
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Old 06-17-2018, 04:48 PM   #4
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

We talk with commercial LF hunters in the keys, Panhandle and east coast. Everyone's numbers are down about 15 - 25%. More importantly is what's happening to the average size. It's down almost half. The FWRI and Sedar guys we're working with are getting tons of data. Come to the huge LF summit Oct 2 -4 in Cocoa, that's when the data and research summary will be released and presented.

If you really want to see something wild,,wait til you see the newest bug numbers {standard data, not the Monday July 2nd shocker coming up}
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

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We talk with commercial LF hunters in the keys, Panhandle and east coast. Everyone's numbers are down about 15 - 25%. More importantly is what's happening to the average size. It's down almost half. The FWRI and Sedar guys we're working with are getting tons of data. Come to the huge LF summit Oct 2 -4 in Cocoa, that's when the data and research summary will be released and presented.

If you really want to see something wild,,wait til you see the newest bug numbers {standard data, not the Monday July 2nd shocker coming up}
Cool info, thanks.
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Old 06-17-2018, 05:29 PM   #6
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We talk with commercial LF hunters in the keys, Panhandle and east coast. Everyone's numbers are down about 15 - 25%. More importantly is what's happening to the average size. It's down almost half. The FWRI and Sedar guys we're working with are getting tons of data. Come to the huge LF summit Oct 2 -4 in Cocoa, that's when the data and research summary will be released and presented.

If you really want to see something wild,,wait til you see the newest bug numbers {standard data, not the Monday July 2nd shocker coming up}
Give us a hint on the lobster numbers
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Old 06-17-2018, 08:52 PM   #7
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Give us a hint on the lobster numbers
The big secret for ALL FISH numbers is going to be published July 2nd. Now that they are doing rec survey's by mail/electronic instead of phone calls, it's a big jump. They have no money and time to hold new Sedar meetings and Magnuson-Stevens (M/S) mandates "best available" numbers which will be 7/2. The Eco's want to just plug in the new 7/2 higher catch numbers without changing the total ACL(annual catch limit) so it results in a smaller slice of the pie. They want the Rec's daily catch numbers reduced for ALL FISH. They know that 7/2 is a holiday week with few people online so hoping it will be a... quiet riot. Then just blame everything on M/S.

For lobster,,,it's the big hit of IRMA !!! But we really need to see the new updated numbers from the coming July 2nd publication and if they change it. Miniature baby lobsters that grow to legal aren't born in Florida and lobster larva released in FL doesn't stay in Florida unlike fish. So IMHO, Rec bugs should stay the same (but won't know until 7/2)

Here are the bug numbers so far, look at the change last year:
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Old 06-18-2018, 05:32 AM   #8
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

I've experienced the lionfish population decline from where I hunt also. I've fed small lionfish to goliaths, and they eat them just fine. I've noticed the larger lionfish are starting to get scared of hunters, they try to hide and swim away instead of just sitting there like a few years ago.

Johnoly, are you suggesting we will experience reduced rec bag limits because of the better rec survey data showing a higher rec landing?
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...Johnoly, are you suggesting we will experience reduced rec bag limits because of the better rec survey data showing a higher rec landing?
Yes, but the biggest problem is they are not going to go back and increase the total ACL (ie increase the size of the population pie). Just plug in the higher rec numbers which will trigger AM(accountability measures). AM's were established years ago and when OFL numbers (overfishing limits) are hit, they automatically trigger AM's which is closure / reduced season / reduced catch.

Again there is no money or time to go back and study / increase total ACL. And MS mandates immediate corrective action by law. I'm not saying what the 7/2 numbers are yet, but there up.
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

So every past rec landings data set has been under-represented because of inaccurate rec survey data? But the TACL remains the same, even though the data gathering metrics have changed and shown the past data and limits to be inaccurate. Great $cience.

And we are forced to accept this $cience because: the Law says so, and this governmental agency doesn't have the time/money to do the job it is supposed to do.

How about we change the Law? Laws can be changed/amended/repealed the same way they are written, by writing words on paper.

What is the name of this governmental agency that claims it doesn't have the time or money to do its job? This claim can be challenged. A look at this governmental agency's Financial Report will disrobe the Emperor's Clothes.

What are the names of the elected officials of this Governmental Agency? Lets make the community aware of who is behind this fraud.

These excuses of "but the Law says this so we can't do anything" and "we have no time/money to do our job" are political propaganda and fraud.
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

I have noticed a huge drop in Lions in NE FL as well. Used to see a ton of them on ledges out of Mayport and St. Aug, this year there has been a noticable drop. Places I used to see probably 100 lbs on a single ledge, may hold 5 fish. I don't necessarily think its from pressure though. I think the two years of major hurricanes has more to do with it and has just pushed them away. The bugs seem to be in no short supply around here. I've been seeing just as many if not more than in years past.
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

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So every past rec landings data set has been under-represented because of inaccurate rec survey data? But the TACL remains the same, even though the data gathering metrics have changed and shown the past data and limits to be inaccurate. Great $cience.

And we are forced to accept this $cience because: the Law says so, and this governmental agency doesn't have the time/money to do the job it is supposed to do.

How about we change the Law? Laws can be changed/amended/repealed the same way they are written, by writing words on paper.

What is the name of this governmental agency that claims it doesn't have the time or money to do its job? This claim can be challenged. A look at this governmental agency's Financial Report will disrobe the Emperor's Clothes.

What are the names of the elected officials of this Governmental Agency? Lets make the community aware of who is behind this fraud.

These excuses of "but the Law says this so we can't do anything" and "we have no time/money to do our job" are political propaganda and fraud.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:51 AM   #13
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

Sorry to see this get derailed. OP, I have noticed a huge decline in numbers and size. The big ones are very rare where I spear. I used to take a lion hotel and polespear on every drop, and fill it, now that is a waste of time. $6.00 per pound and no reef permit required to collect fish = greatly reduced populations. JMHO.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:32 AM   #14
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

Fewer, smaller and more wary of divers, out of Port Canaveral.
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:06 AM   #15
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Re: Lion fish population declining?

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Yes, but the biggest problem is they are not going to go back and increase the total ACL (ie increase the size of the population pie). Just plug in the higher rec numbers which will trigger AM(accountability measures). AM's were established years ago and when OFL numbers (overfishing limits) are hit, they automatically trigger AM's which is closure / reduced season / reduced catch.

Again there is no money or time to go back and study / increase total ACL. And MS mandates immediate corrective action by law. I'm not saying what the 7/2 numbers are yet, but there up.
I’m kinda confused as to why they should increase the ACL because they have found out that the recreational sector is actually killing more fish. ACL is determined by the acceptable amount of fish that can be taken out of an ecosystem so why would that change because we now know more fish are being taken out than previously estimated? Maybe that would explain why we still see decreasing numbers in certain fish stocks even though we have “scientific” measures in place to prevent overfishing?
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