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08-09-2013, 03:40 PM | #76 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
Pretty much what rockymountainspearo said. Tethering to a float doesn't actually save you in any way (and in all likelihood increases the chances of entanglement), whereas a buddy can grab you and keep you and/or bring you to the surface.
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08-09-2013, 04:13 PM | #77 | |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
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I don't think this is a particularly good or efficient idea, I have just had OC's situation on my mind alot recently, and I was thinking of entanglement. If it was low vis, even with a dive buddy, only the extended passage of time would let the buddy know something was wrong. If you had your gun, you could yank on your float line, but the buddy would have to be holding it, (which isn't SOP, as far as I know). At least this would be a way to signal distress... I like the bubbler idea, it seems to be useful, even in low vis, and would lead directly to the diver. One issue I could see would be if the diver is no longer beneath the dive buddy, and the dive buddy is not looking around, the bubble column could be beyond the vis restriction. If there was a buzzer, or beeper, the buddy would know he needs to look around. Mike |
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08-09-2013, 04:26 PM | #78 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
If any of you are ever in the situation that someone goes missing in the water, MARK THAT SPOT! A good last seen point can make a huge difference in the outcome of a search or recovery operation.
If you are on a boat, drop an "H"float, weight on a string with a soda bottle float, your weight belt with floatline and float, whatever you have. An anchor with a life jacket tied to the line can also work well. If you know exactly where you were when they were last seen, mark the spot and take a compass heading to their lask known location. If you are interested in becoming a better witness, please send me a PM and I will give you a little drill you can try with family and friends. It is pretty eye opening.
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08-09-2013, 04:31 PM | #79 | |
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08-09-2013, 05:43 PM | #80 |
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08-09-2013, 07:40 PM | #81 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
People push it too much when they spearfish. You should come up with plenty of air, not gasping for air. This is spearfishing not a freedive competition.
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08-09-2013, 07:56 PM | #82 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
Agreed
I'd like to add one thing. Most life insurance companies do not pay out on missing persons for years, as much as 10. I can't imagine the financial hardship and perhaps frustration of OC's family if this is the case. If you are going to be careless enough to dive solo, at least weight yourself properly so that, should you die in the water, your body can me more easily recovered and your family can at least recover the life insurance money. I know guys that wear the Freediver Recovery Vest for this very reason. I'm not implying OC had too much weight, nobody knows that at this point. Just want to point out one of the more morbid realities of this situation that should at least be considered.
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08-09-2013, 07:59 PM | #83 | |
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Sounds very similar to an FRV? |
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08-09-2013, 08:23 PM | #84 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
I was under the impression the FRV was more of a time released or time plus depth flotation device coupled with a type of dive recording cpu. If not I'm sorry, I was in no way trying to hijack that particular system.
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08-09-2013, 08:51 PM | #85 | |
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08-09-2013, 09:04 PM | #86 | |
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save the reserves that your dive reflexs provide for emergencies only. all the bubble trail buck rogers stuff and follow the float line stuff is a slim chance to hang your life on. its simple just come the **** up to the surface when you first get the urge. make up for the shorter dive when you take your grandkids diving. killian you are on target with your comments hats off to all participants in this important conversation. jeremy
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08-09-2013, 09:22 PM | #87 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
My first urge to breathe can come at a point where I am very hypoxic. It is sometimes the case that I dont feel an urge to breathe for more than two minutes. I hate saying that in a public forum because then guys will dive with me and Im doing minute 30 dives sll day snd they're asking...but that's my ego. Sometimes my times are remarably short and other times they are comparatively quite long before any urge to breathe is felt.
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08-09-2013, 09:34 PM | #88 |
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Re: Trained Freedivers
It also has two separate manual inflate methods. The cpu isn't really a dive computer/recorder (need to double check), you set your dive window (depth and time). If either is exceeded then it auto inflates. It also has a mechanism for if one dives too early or passes out at the surface and sinks, it will auto inflate. Finally, it has a surface minder mode, where one has to push a button after a predetermined period of time (after ten seconds I believe), otherwise it auto inflates. The FRV is pretty all encompassing. I'm very impressed with mine (in case that wasn't obvious).
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08-09-2013, 10:55 PM | #89 | |
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The point of that stuff wasn't to take chances and stay down longer, it was to alert the surface buddy that you are in distress. So say I brushed against something and hooked myself in an awkward spot and I'm fighting panic as I try to figure out how to get my left arm to work the right way and clear myself. I would want a tool that would allow me to tell my dive buddy, "Hey! something's up!". It sure would beat the common low vis buddy system that gets promoted around here; "We don't do it, because we can't see each other". At least you'd have something to look and/or listen for as the surface buddy. ------ I know someone who promotes old poacher rigs for fishing, like running a bunch of baited trebles off of heavy line between two cinder blocks and throwing them in near shore. People like that exist, people do things like that. This really is a way, for me at least, of looking at the OC incident in hindsight and try to deal with it by asking, "what might have helped?" Would it have? Dunno. Does it matter now? No. Could it happen to me? ... God, I HOPE not! scares me. |
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