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Old 07-08-2019, 08:34 AM   #1
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Mangroves and Margate Question

Finally got out of Ft Pierce for a dive (after a year without diving...new baby will do that) and first off shout out to JFJF for recommending a Mako dive light. I feel like I was diving with a toy light compared to this thing! Very impressive to see way back in some of these deep ledges.

Anyways, we were treated with some good diving conditions flat seas and good viz. Tons of little mango snappers around. It seemed all the big mango's would get in the ledge and hide behind the Margates. Like there bodyguards.

-Do you guys shoot Margates? Some big ones down there, how do they eat?
-Also, I had a big Goliath following me and a good size Mango was sitting right next to him. I thought about taking the Mango but decided not to thinking the Goliath would of been a hassle. In hindsight I wish I would of taken the shot but what are your all experiences with Goliaths taking your catch?
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:54 AM   #2
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Re: Mangroves and Margate Question

I stopped shooting fish around Goliaths....they will take your fish and spear. Sometimes you will get your spear back, sometimes not. If you're not free shafting, you will have a fight to get your gun back and it is a good idea to have some type of device to cut the line. I have 400 lb test when using the line and it laughs at knives. Only thing I have found that will easily cut it one handed are the paramedic shears.....they are also very handy on lion fish fins. Margate are a decent to good quality food grade fish.....meat is closer to snapper than hogfish. Nothing wrong with them or porgies if you find them with good size to them. Smaller ones are good gutted, scaled, rubbed in olive oil and grilled with salt and pepper. Large ones can yield a nice sized fillet.
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Old 07-08-2019, 09:55 AM   #3
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Re: Mangroves and Margate Question

Glad to hear you like that MAKO light. The latest one they are selling is really excellent. As for black margates, I have eaten smaller ones when really hungry. The meat is dark and the yield is low.

As for shooting around jewfish, sometimes it is zero problem, howeverIf they have learned to take speared fish, then they can be super aggressive. If they are following you, then this is a pretty good sign that they are going to be a problem if you shoot in front of them.

If one were following me on a scuba dive, I would try a hard poke with the gun and not in the eye. Their skin is incredibly tough, so a poke will not hurt them and it might get it to back off.

Also if you stone the fish and jump right on it, that is different to have it struggling on a line or shaft right in front of them.

On some of the local dive spots which are popular, i now notice gg with white marks on their face and head, and they often seem to show little interest in fish we shoot
On scuba.

People might find this old video amusing. If you haven’t seen it yet

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ApeL8czRf8I

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Old 07-08-2019, 10:32 AM   #4
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Thanks for the quick replies fellas. OK I'm glad I did not shoot near this Goliath then, he was definitely following me around unlike some others that just seem to sit under a ledge napping away. And based on that video worse case scenario it would stink to lose a spear or a gun thats for sure!
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Re: Mangroves and Margate Question

Some can be very aggressive more so during their spawning time july-sept,...margates are too dark and fishy tasting for me...what day did you get out of FTP,,,conditions?...good going on the baby and happy hunting
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Some can be very aggressive more so during their spawning time july-sept,...margates are too dark and fishy tasting for me...what day did you get out of FTP,,,conditions?...good going on the baby and happy hunting
Hi there. We went out yesterday, 7/7/19. No to light wind, I would say 1-2 ft waves 5 second period so pretty flat. Viz was great. We dove 50ft and it was clear from 0-35 ft then we hit a little cool thermocline with some snotty water. Then udner that at the bottom it was pretty clear around 20 ft viz. Nice diving lots of small reef life.
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That’s a white margate, he is asking about black margate, different fish
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Old 07-08-2019, 03:12 PM   #10
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Yea I don't think I have ever seen a White one.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:26 PM   #11
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There are multiple kinds of margates found in our waters, I wasn't thinking of the black margate when I said they were decent - good quality eats. I usually see white ones and they can get a little size to them and yield some meat. I put the white ones right there with mangrove snapper.....they are very similar meat.
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Re: Mangroves and Margate Question

If it's a slow day shoot all the margate you want, a lot of the times out of Fort Pierce you just have to lay on the sand and wait for one of the bigger mangroves to peak out of the hole. I like shooting with one band when kicking up sand and grinding rocks trying to make those 4+lb fish come out of their caves. Try to avoid shooting fish directly in front of a jewfish, but if it's a once in a lifetime fish I say pull the trigger as long as you have a good buddy system going on and you both are able to horse the fish to the surface or poke away at the goliath as he tries to track the fish. Sometimes they are quick as bullsharks on fish, so just be smart. Happy hunting
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If it's a slow day shoot all the margate you want, a lot of the times out of Fort Pierce you just have to lay on the sand and wait for one of the bigger mangroves to peak out of the hole. I like shooting with one band when kicking up sand and grinding rocks trying to make those 4+lb fish come out of their caves. Try to avoid shooting fish directly in front of a jewfish, but if it's a once in a lifetime fish I say pull the trigger as long as you have a good buddy system going on and you both are able to horse the fish to the surface or poke away at the goliath as he tries to track the fish. Sometimes they are quick as bullsharks on fish, so just be smart. Happy hunting
Interesting never really thought about kicking up sand. This brings me to another question.

I'm newer spearing fish then I am lobstering and I think some of my lobstering habits kick in where I end up covering more ground verse working a spot. How long will you work a single "cave" spot or big ledge holding fish?
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Interesting never really thought about kicking up sand. This brings me to another question.

I'm newer spearing fish then I am lobstering and I think some of my lobstering habits kick in where I end up covering more ground verse working a spot. How long will you work a single "cave" spot or big ledge holding fish?
If it continues to produce we'll stay on the spot until we've got a few fish in the cooler and leave a few fish for next trip.
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