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11-09-2007, 07:04 PM | #256 |
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Also, your overblown assessments of FRA's accomplishments sound like some of the newletters tree hugger groups send out about their great accomplishments - all for the same reason...to get the unsuspecting public to send in their donations. Times up; groundtruthing time! Bimini bill |
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11-09-2007, 07:39 PM | #259 |
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Speargun,
Post #254 is the BEST post I've ever read!! |
11-09-2007, 08:33 PM | #260 |
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Last Post for me on this one.
I went to one thread at random on another site where Denny posts. Given that Denny and his bunch keep complaining about the content of my posts on Spearboard I lifted a couple of choice comments from Denny and his supporters. Given their past record I'm sure I could find stuff much nastier if I hunted for it, especially if I hunted wherever they're commenting about this thread. Thread comments: Denny Senior fish dispatcher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 161 email the pric* at whitcombeRD@hotmail.com just a suggestion That dipsh*t is not worth the time. __________________ Steve Moore 305 849 0866 steve@keysmobilediving.com www.keysmobilediving.com Denny Senior fish dispatcher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 161 Telling him to GET BENT would be a good idea. STITCH Drinks till she's pretty Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 56 http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/acc...ccident-6.html I replied to it to….FUK’um. I think the USCG needs a do not recover list for people like that Nice guys...really nice... Biminibill |
11-09-2007, 09:32 PM | #261 |
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Just got back from diving and I cant believe this is still going!
Im honored to think that someone of Bills stature and character would spend so many hours on this thread. Thanks Bill, Im touched... Signed, Mr. Toadfish |
11-09-2007, 10:44 PM | #262 |
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Well Rich I guess you guys really must love each other after all.
So much energy devoted to each other on the successive days each other was not around to respond. I have not really looked at this thread all day either as I had work to do. And even as I look now, I could only stand to glance at the last few pages and must confess I found my self laughing out loud a few times with out picking sides. I am staying out of it so I can not be accused of suppressing free speech as certain very tolerant people have claimed I have done. These same very tolerant people have a practice of encouraging the banning of contrarian voices. I have decided against that route from past experiences where I made mistakes in judgement. We have a conflict resolution tool here on Spearboard that has not been used in a long time called the "Steel Cage." The last time it was used was when the SPUCS dive club was facing off against the TSB dive club. As soon as the parties were put in that cage, the conflict ended. Another idea might be for you guys to go spear some fish together.
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11-10-2007, 12:52 AM | #263 |
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It is amazing Scott, but I actually find it very educational. If this is typical of what the FRA has to face at these meetings, I have a whole new level of respect.
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11-10-2007, 03:03 AM | #264 |
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Just FYI BB, I have (not in this state, but Washington/Oregon) also dealt in depth with F&G admins, Bioligists, etc... Anyone that knows them knows one thing for sure.. They are as Clique' as they come.. You plant your lips tightly around their ass, they will love you. You challenge (heaven forbid) their reports, recommendations, science, they may smile at you and act cordial, but the minute you walk away they are laughing and toasting with the brownlipped followers... I have watched them do this to several people after meetings where I was part of their "group" simply due to my perspective as a guide, and a very successful one.. Soon, I saw the light, and in a meeting called them on their attitudes and behaviors and guess what?? I was soon out of the "Circle" so to speak..
Generally, from coast to coast, it is a pretty tight "boys club" and just as with all politics, I believe that they enter this field gung ho and ready to take on the world for their cause... They soon learn though, that they play along and follow the concesus, or they will soon find themselves studying plankton growth at the closest effluent release pipe.... I dont doubt for a second your summation that when Denny walks away, the things you say happen, happen... But that means shit to me, because I know how they can be... But when it all comes down to the rail, the facts will eventually force them to do what they are supposed to do.. As long as Denny has good hard facts to present, I could really give a rats ass how it is presented. They can call him an asshole, but if he is right in his facts, science doesnt care whether you are nice or a troll.. Their job after all, is to gather science fact and decide/mandate accordingly... I personally wish we had about 100 Denny's and Rich's at those meetings, the "Boys Club" really needs a bit of shaking up...
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11-10-2007, 07:19 AM | #265 |
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Christof, my friend, (I hope)I have a question. Do you think you get more with a carrot or with a stick?
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11-10-2007, 08:32 AM | #266 | |
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Vitriolic exchanges often have elements of truth from both sides of the spectrum or divide and can be very educational as Steve points out. I spoke with Billy Causey yesterday on his way back from the woods from his hunting trip. He said there were five authors of the Islands in the Stream proposal. He said he was not the sole author as some have tried to ascribe to him. I pummeled him with questions and he responded with answers to every one. Billy said he will share more information next week when he returns to his office. Based on discussions I had yesterday with CCA and several other big organizations in the fisheries lobbying world, I have a feeling they will be strongly opposing the proposal, but Billy should be given the professional courtesy of hearing him out before making firm conclusions or taking positions. We will not call him names or try to malign his character. That would be counter-productive. I want to thank everyone for partcipating in this sometimes heated discussion of the image Spearfishers portray to the general publiic and to fisheries regulators and scientists. While the thread strayed around and broached conflict rules and had to be reigned back in a bit, the thread has served to show we can tolerate contrarian viewpoints and not censor those opinions about approaches taken by various participants in the regulatory process. Image improvement should be the goal for all of us. I hope everyone involved can truly work together to protect and enhance the sport of spearfishing.
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11-10-2007, 08:46 AM | #267 |
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I agree with Tony about hearing them out.I do not agree with any attacks in public as they make us look like jackasses at times.
Attacking the logic,methodology,science,reasoning,data,veracity of the compilers or gatherers of data,and that kind of systematical dismantling of the MPA idea is the way to further our cause. And we have to beat the MPA agenda,which as we have heard has no peer-reviewed study verifying it ability to do what it is supposedly intended to do. I have no problem abiding by sensible limits and spawning closures if the science backing the numbers is sound.Right now I do not believe it is.I do believe many researchers are using an incremental agenda they can to restrict Fishing at any level.
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11-10-2007, 08:58 AM | #268 |
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I discussed this with some of the particpiants in this thread and several feel the thread should be closed now. We will not delete the thread or edit it. New threads can be started if need be. Thanks, Tony
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