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Old 11-07-2017, 04:18 PM   #1516
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Re: what will happen to our gun rights?

he used a truck for cover.

you really might just listen to the guy explain what happened rather than make assumptions of what you couldn't be bothered to hear.
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Old 11-07-2017, 04:30 PM   #1517
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Re: what will happen to our gun rights?

I know very little on this topic, but have seen articles like this over and over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...pgtype=article

can someone explain what's wrong with this argument?
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Old 11-07-2017, 04:33 PM   #1518
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he used a truck for cover.

you really might just listen to the guy explain what happened rather than make assumptions of what you couldn't be bothered to hear.
Will do, but if he changes up the story...it's kind of suspect, no? He did actually say at that time stamp that the guy was using a hand gun. Again...like I said, I love a gun owner stopping more potential deaths as much as the rest of you. I'm not a leftist, just a realist that wants the truth. I abhor more gun control. I'm just keepin' it real, yo. Us citizens have been lied to SO many times. Research "Operation Gladio". It's not fake. It's not some crazy 'conspiracy'. It has been ongoing since WWII. The same tactics are being employed here now. I am circumspect about any of this crap...especially after so many of these FF fear operations to herd us into our cages.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:03 PM   #1519
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Re: what will happen to our gun rights?

if you want to talk about what he had to say, fine. right now you want to argue about what you imagine & I simply don't have the time or energy for that.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:11 PM   #1520
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Huh?? Are you pretending he didn't say that?? C'mon man, I'm not making this crap up.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:14 PM   #1521
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frankly, I have no idea what you expect of the guy. you comment on him being an expert & I guess that means he should know exactly how to have a gun fight or something.

he is a past NRA instructor. you get what that means? he taught marksmanship & gun safety. punching holes in paper at a range.

I've seen nothing to indicate that he had any military service, much less combat. nor anything about law enforcement or anything else that should make him an expert in fighting an active shooter.

he's a guy who lives in a town that had about 500 people in in who know his way around a gun but I dodn't see anything reported to indicate that means anything about fighting.

his daughter heard gun shots. he grabbed a rifle & investigated & found himself in a gun fight.

I look forward to your interview when you're faced with similar circumstances & survive it.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:15 PM   #1522
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Re: what will happen to our gun rights?

he said when he first saw the guy he was holding a pistol & then you stopped -by your own account- listening.

which means that anything that might have been said or happened after that point is irrelevant, you're arguing about what you think must have been said or happened, not what the guy actually reports.
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Old 11-07-2017, 05:47 PM   #1523
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and now I have visions of marcus stepping out with a rifle, seeing the bad guy with a pistol & saying "my bad, hang tight, be right back. I have too much gun..."
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Old 11-07-2017, 06:29 PM   #1524
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Nope. You're right, I'm wrong. Not open for discussion...because that's offensive to the hero agenda. No room for questioning logic and wavering recounts of what happened from the horse's mouth. That's fine. I don't care to argue the facts w/ ones' so entrenched to the idealistic story they want to believe. Trust me...I WANT to believe the same...but when I hear inconsistencies...I ponder. I will finish the film and report back if I've found myself a hypocrite. No shame in my game...humbleness is my teacher.

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Old 11-07-2017, 06:57 PM   #1525
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I know very little on this topic, but have seen articles like this over and over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/w...pgtype=article

can someone explain what's wrong with this argument?
Cherry-picking data.

Why didn't they define the data in a more meaningful way- mass shooting victims per 1 million or some such? Answer- because it would yield a less "useful" result for the compilers of this useless data.

Let me parse the numbers. I can tell any lie I care to from true data if I can pick out what I like and discard the rest.

But if the NYT does it, some people are dumb enough to buy it.

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Old 11-07-2017, 06:59 PM   #1526
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Nope. You're right, I'm wrong. Not open for discussion...because that's offensive to the hero agenda. No room for questioning logic and wavering recounts of what happened from the horse's mouth. That's fine. I don't care to argue the facts w/ ones' so entrenched to the idealistic story they want to believe. Trust me...I WANT to believe the same...but when I hear inconsistencies...I ponder.

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Seriously. lay off a little. The guy is clearly as real as you or I. And he made the shot. End of story.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:02 PM   #1527
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Seriously. lay off a little. The guy is clearly as real as you or I. And he made the shot. End of story.
My apologies, I'm too slow...I edited my message as I realized I sounded like a major douchbag after reading it...and then read these next posts. My bad. Apparently, all these FF shootings which has one questioning every thing has made me jaded.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:25 PM   #1528
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Geez...in an effort to not be a hypocrite, I went back and viewed at least 15 minutes of the video. At the risk of bearing the brunt of you haters, I have to say I still stand by my initial observation. He tells a different story than what's already been reported. Their are many cheap cuts/edits in the video, and it sounds so idealistic. Not buying it.
Now that's not saying I'm adverse to such. The other side plays even dirtier. Fight fire with fire, right? IMO, it's really the only way when you have so many forces fighting against truth. That's why I thought the idea of infiltrating lefist sites and writing ridiculous satire was so damned funny. I mean it's like trolling a live bait thru a school of hungry Mahi.

Edit: And oh, I'm not adverse to changing my position upon further evidence being revealed.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:29 PM   #1529
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My apologies, I'm too slow...I edited my message as I realized I sounded like a major douchbag after reading it...and then read these next posts. My bad. Apparently, all these FF shootings which has one questioning every thing has made me jaded.


This is clearly a very different cat in comparison to the Las Vegas shooting. Real nutcase loser. Real motive !!!. Real hero ()

No financial, circumstantial, or human anomalies, comparatively.

But the same exact political opportunism on the left.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:34 PM   #1530
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"than what's already been reported", this from the guy who constantly tells us that everything that's reported is a lie.

now you trust what's been reported more than the guy that was there & did it?
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