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11-30-2007, 12:32 AM | #46 | |
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11-30-2007, 08:20 AM | #47 | |
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11-30-2007, 08:22 AM | #48 |
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Re: goliath grouper opening day
Isn't calling someone a pussy several times a personal attack?
Especially this coming from a moderator?
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11-30-2007, 08:27 AM | #49 | |
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11-30-2007, 08:48 AM | #50 | |
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11-30-2007, 09:03 AM | #51 | |
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You just can't stand it when someone out wits you and your buddy. You really need this bully pulpit to make you feel better about yourself. Didn't your mother love you?
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11-30-2007, 09:04 AM | #52 | |
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11-30-2007, 09:17 AM | #53 |
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Re: goliath grouper opening day
should them jewfish be opened up to spear or rod only?
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11-30-2007, 09:22 AM | #54 |
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I have conflicting feelings on this issue. I totally agree with Moose that there is a huge potential for bad PR with regard to spearfishing when diver-wounded fish are photographed. On the other hand, as a matter of principal, I think we should stand up for our rights as spearfisherman and argue against gear limitations which are discriminatory against spearfishing.
I also think that IF divers are ever allowed to take jewfish again, that their behavior might tend to revert back to what is was before the ban, i.e., the GG will again become skittish of divers and not associate them with food. This could result in less negative interactions between spearfisherman and GG since they might no longer be trying to take fish off stingers or off of shafts. Although to be honest, if a season was opened for only say 3 weeks, I wonder if the GG would really “remember” to avoid divers for the entire “off” season. In any regard, I think it is very important that the State of Florida quickly throw some money at the issue in an attempt to get some good data on GG abundance.
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11-30-2007, 09:24 AM | #55 |
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Relapse must have had one. There is an ignore button. Good question - while I would like to spear any fish that is made legal to do so, I do see KMoose's perspective that it might be a bad PR move for the community. The newspapers and TV stations might pick up on it and really cast a negative light on the sport which as we know is the most ecologically friendly take method.
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11-30-2007, 10:21 AM | #56 |
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"I also think that IF divers are ever allowed to take jewfish again, that their behavior might tend to revert back to what is was before the ban"
honestly...i'm not sure that's true. aversion to divers/spearos is as much species specific personality, as it is learned fear. perfect example: black grouper compared to red grouper. reds are highly hunted yet they are like puppy dogs. even the big ones will approach closely and will often stay a few feet away and watch you. while even small black grouper...MUCH smaller than anything that could be harvested...are skitish towards divers. another one is the hogfish...highly sought after, yet dumb as a fence post. now i've dove areas that have been offlimits to fishing/spearing...even diving period...for a decade (riley's hump...dry tortugas), and the larger blacks (~50lbs) are much less skitish. but i think that is due to total lack of human interaction. so the GG may be naturallly more comfortable around divers. obviously their size makes that easier to imagine. there is only so much fear you have for another animal that is 1/2 your size. and even if they "learned"....how long would it take? with as friendly as they are, i can't imagine many fish being stalked...shot at...and NOT collected. hard to say
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11-30-2007, 10:51 AM | #57 | |
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Good point Jeff, I guess it is species dependent. I notice significant learning behavior on gags just a short while after a few have been speared. There are some that argue we should not be allowed to target gag in large groups when they come in, but I say BS to that because they get skittish fast and harder and harder to get from my years of experience.
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11-30-2007, 11:33 AM | #58 |
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Re: goliath grouper opening day
In our neck of the woods where harvesting them is legal,they seem to reappear every year when the rains begin.For instance,at the spots I freedive (wrecks in 35fsw,oil rigs 60 fsw). When we take out the resident grouper(s) another set make their appearance the next year.
If we happen to wound one that fish becomes very skittish at the sight of a hunter, otherwise they are easily approached.Btw they are a prized food fish here. |
11-30-2007, 11:38 AM | #59 | |
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I have never shot large GG, so I have no personal experience to rely upon, but I don't share your apparent confidence that once a GG is shot with a spear, that landing it is "a gimme". Another big potential drawback of allowing divers to again take GG will be the significant possibility that overly enthusiastic divers will be injured or killed. I know one old timer very well who has speared hundreds and hundreds of them. He tells a story about when he sent a shaft into the head of a relatively small GG when in a confined space within a wreck. With only one escape route, and the visibility blacked out, the fish charged him sending the butt end of the shaft through his mask and burried it deep under his scalp, barely missing his eye socket. I know how much trouble a 30 lb AJ can give me, I'm sure a 300 lb jewfish could turn me into a golfer if the shot was not perfect.
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11-30-2007, 12:04 PM | #60 |
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point taken on the....."not a gimme"
i was looking at it from the standpoint of being able to get within one shaft length of them. making accuracy issues a bit easier to handle. although shot placement is still CRUCIAL. with more thought....thats another reason they may not allow spearing on GG. the wounding rate may be pretty high....and worse...the wounding resulting in mortality.
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