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Old 12-30-2011, 08:05 AM   #76
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Eric hope you ll achieve yr goal ..

for the Qatar emir , we did guide him too over here ...

for the WR regulations ..do not forget that it is a commitee from 9 members ( as far as i know for IUSA ) that votes and at the end decide to issue a WR or not ...and in the case from tanzania / zanzibar / latham the situation might be difficult to appreciate from far away and could be confusing ..

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Old 01-02-2012, 10:51 PM   #77
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In principle I agree with what you say. It is certainly more 'fair' that everyone has the same opportunity as everyone else, and that opportunity should not be dictated by money (who can and who can't afford). So I am on your side with that 100%.

However, that is not within the world record regulations. The regulations state that you should be legally spearfishing, not breaking any laws at the time. We are the only ones trying to legalize the sport in Tanzania. There is no one else putting any effort into it. We are the ones having confrontations with the sport fishers who don't want us to spear fish. We are the ones having to deal with misinformed government officials.

We have to start at point A to get to point B. We figured that the only way to legalize the sport is to convince the government to see the benefits of doing so. To do that we thought we'd start a charter. Lobbying government as an investor is more powerful than as an individual, and we are getting results. Who here is going to listed to me or my partner trying to convince them that there are financial benefits in sport spear fishing? On the other hand, they are listening to us as a company bringing financial benefits to the country in exchange for some selective spear fishing. In Zanzibar in 2010 we hosted His Highness the Emir of Qatar for some spear fishing. The financial benefits from that trip were clearly seen by the Zanzibar Government, which was enough for them to issue us immediately with a license. We did not have to do much convincing (note that Zanzibar's economy is based on tourism). So it was a good decision for us to lobby government as a company, as we are getting results.

So in terms of world records, anyone spear fishing with us are legally spear fishing and therefore under the world record rules should be recognized as a world record (which has happened as I do have one world record speared in Zanzibar). Sooner or later spear fishing will be open to all, which will then make it more 'fair' under your terms. Once that happens, we will have reached our objective too.

What you suggested indirectly in your earlier post is that in order for us to get the results we did in 'Africa' we had to bribe. While in your last post you bring up the morality of what should or should not be the way to achieve a world record. They are two different things. In conclusion, please remember that you and us are on the same side here, sport spear fishing. Only difference is that you are in a place where spear fishing legally is easy. You did not have to fight for it. On the other hand, we are in a place where spear fishing legally is difficult and only one person is trying to change policy. You should actually give us the benefit of the doubt and support us in favour of our sport.

May 2012 bring you and everyone in our sport some great spear fishing adventures and BIG FISH

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Old 01-02-2012, 11:36 PM   #78
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Here are a few things that I have picked up over the past few years about hunting Doggies. I have only hunted the Pacific for them, so they may not work in another part of the world.

Doggies love flashers. One of the best ways we have found to get them to come in is to drop a large (12" square) flasher over the reef drop-off. Most flashers work by hanging them a few feet below the surface- not so here. What works for me is to tie off the flasher to a long length of line- the idea is to drop the flasher, let it get about 30' down, and then dive after it down as deep as you can go. Often the really big tuna are down deep, and this is the best way I know to get them to come up into range.

Don't waste your time with scaning from the surface- Even in clear water, Doggies are really hard to spot. Spend as much time (as saftey allows) down deep looking for them. Just about every big tuna I have seen has been on blind drops, either diving after the flasher or diving into a "hot" looking reef with a lot of bait stacked up.

Dive the spots that hold fish. This is true no matter where you dive, and is true even on a small patch of reef. Doggies love deep drop offs with lots of current- stick to these areas, even if it means making 20 or more dives on one spot. Look for baitfish "clouds" hanging out. Often they will hang over a single rock or coral head- I try to work these areas hard, even if it means making quite a few blind drops.

Just my opinions, hope it helps
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:48 AM   #79
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Re: Spearing Dogtooth Tuna

Very interesting thread. Thanks guys!

I've been hunting for doggies for the first time in the bali/penida area last october and couldnt land any decent size one...

My option was the 'agachon': waiting for the fish, lying on the bottom. This is my favorite technique and the most effective one in most areas Im used to spearfish (Med, atlantic french cost and carribeans). I didnt use flasher or burley as Andre (from bali spearfishing) told me it was not necesary in this area due to the strong currents...

I achieved to make some fish coming to have a look at me but they never came really close. In this case, should I have tried another dive (not to spook the fish and hoping he'll be still here next dive) or tried to swim to get closer?
I just took one 'far' shot on a really big fish and lost him...

Another question to the specialists: is it better to wait for the fish like I did (dives of a bit more than 2 min in 50 to 70 ft) or to go deeper (not more than 90 ft for me), have a quick look and go up?

REALLY frustrating fish! I didnt land any fish, while my mates, pretty much beginners, were shooting big GTs, nice rainbow runners...
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:19 AM   #81
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Here are a few things that I have picked up over the past few years about hunting Doggies. I have only hunted the Pacific for them, so they may not work in another part of the world.

Doggies love flashers. One of the best ways we have found to get them to come in is to drop a large (12" square) flasher over the reef drop-off. Most flashers work by hanging them a few feet below the surface- not so here. What works for me is to tie off the flasher to a long length of line- the idea is to drop the flasher, let it get about 30' down, and then dive after it down as deep as you can go. Often the really big tuna are down deep, and this is the best way I know to get them to come up into range.

Don't waste your time with scaning from the surface- Even in clear water, Doggies are really hard to spot. Spend as much time (as saftey allows) down deep looking for them. Just about every big tuna I have seen has been on blind drops, either diving after the flasher or diving into a "hot" looking reef with a lot of bait stacked up.

Dive the spots that hold fish. This is true no matter where you dive, and is true even on a small patch of reef. Doggies love deep drop offs with lots of current- stick to these areas, even if it means making 20 or more dives on one spot. Look for baitfish "clouds" hanging out. Often they will hang over a single rock or coral head- I try to work these areas hard, even if it means making quite a few blind drops.

Just my opinions, hope it helps
I agree that flashers help. Doggies in our area almost always come up for a look. We set them deep to 60' to entice the fish off the bottom. Tying a Rainbow Runner under the flasher really gets them interested. But we can only do this in deep water where there is no chance of the flasher getting snagged or one having to constantly work to keep the flasher on the right spot. In strong currents where there is a shallow reef dropping off on one side or the other I would probably just stick to working as a team and spearing a Rainbow, which really gets the doggies going, while allowing the other diver to dive down for a shot.

We are going to concentrate on St. Lazarus Bank in northern Mozambique for the next couple of months were we are first doing an exploratory trip in Feb and then running a couple of charters in March and April. I've not been there but seen pics and read stories on websites, and spoken to local sport fishermen about the place. One of our clients was there in 2007 for a few hours while passing through on a yacht and said it was absolutely amazing. Doggies on every drift, usually in threes, always with one massive one. Can't wait to see what will work there and how it will differ to Latham Island in Tanzania.

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Old 01-04-2012, 09:57 PM   #82
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Tying a Rainbow Runner under the flasher really gets them interested.


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you guys are lucky over there ! nobody would ever think to do this around here!
sharks would imediately eat the runner and certainly the flasher too .

good luck for Lazarus ..
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:55 AM   #83
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you guys are lucky over there ! nobody would ever think to do this around here!
sharks would imediately eat the runner and certainly the flasher too .

good luck for Lazarus ..
Thanks Marco. I have a feeling that Lazarus might be different to Latham and that the sharks will be more 'active.' I'll let you know.

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Old 01-07-2012, 07:53 AM   #84
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z1taz, your message contradicts itself. On the one hand you say that with a few hundred $$ you can do and get anything you want from anyone, and on the other you state that it might not be so in this case. So forgive me if I take your statement somewhat personally

Do you live in Africa? Have you been here and experienced it, maybe ran a business? If not, you are making a very big generalization which I think is unfair. The problem of corruption is world wide. Only difference is that in Africa one is confronted with corruption for even the most basic service a government official should provide.

However, although corruption is a big problem, it is not everywhere and government officials are having to deal more and more with justifying their decisions. So you are not correct - z1taz - in saying that you can get anything you want from anyone in charge of anything just for a few hundred $$.

It is very easy for anyone to suggest (as you are indirectly doing) that we had to bribe to get our license while there is no evidence of that. etc......

Hi guys/Eric, I often travel to Tanzania and I have heard about this whole issue.
I also know that sometime back in November 2011 the Tanzanian Fisheries, together with the Militry and the Marine Police stoped your boats while they where spearfishing al Latham with your clients and they confiscated all the guns.
My friends where at one of the biggest Yacht Clubs there in Tanzania and saw when the officials landed with all the guns confiscated.

Apparently it is not the first time they tried to stop your boats but you have been evading them by running away.

Would your licenses be valid as you claim, it is difficult to believe that they could confiscate the guns and persevere in trying to stop your boats. ???

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Old 01-07-2012, 10:59 AM   #85
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I've been using to dive with M'Zed in Comoros...
This guy has a long/ double/ exceptional experience in fishing as a pro and spearing in all the Indian Ocean, off the Mozambic/ Tanzanian coasts in particular.
He told me he stopped years ago spearfishing on the Tanzania coast, including Latham Island (one of the top fishing destination in the area) because it has been banned for years by the authorities.
Why? mainly because considering the lack of affording a costly sea surveillance and licences checking made by the marine police, the authorities prefered purely and simply to prohibit spearing on the whole Tanzania territory...
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Old 01-07-2012, 05:38 PM   #86
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Hi guys/Eric, I often travel to Tanzania and I have heard about this whole issue.
I also know that sometime back in November 2011 the Tanzanian Fisheries, together with the Militry and the Marine Police stoped your boats while they where spearfishing al Latham with your clients and they confiscated all the guns.
My friends where at one of the biggest Yacht Clubs there in Tanzania and saw when the officials landed with all the guns confiscated.

Apparently it is not the first time they tried to stop your boats but you have been evading them by running ..
Fred
i think you could definitely fix this " little trouble" , just needs to load 2 navy seals and one french sea2sea missile "exocet" or in case the us sea2sea " harpoon" missile on board !
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Hi guys/Eric, I often travel to Tanzania and I have heard about this whole issue.
I also know that sometime back in November 2011 the Tanzanian Fisheries, together with the Militry and the Marine Police stoped your boats while they where spearfishing al Latham with your clients and they confiscated all the guns.
My friends where at one of the biggest Yacht Clubs there in Tanzania and saw when the officials landed with all the guns confiscated.

Apparently it is not the first time they tried to stop your boats but you have been evading them by running away.

Would your licenses be valid as you claim, it is difficult to believe that they could confiscate the guns and persevere in trying to stop your boats. ???

Fred
Hi Fred,

Thanks for your interest in the Latham Island - spear fishing legality saga. In all fairness to those reading this thread for the hunting part of these amazing fish, I am going to start a new thread under the general discussions so that we can concentrate here on the hunting part of doggies. Please check for my answer under the general discussions.

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Old 01-08-2012, 03:11 AM   #88
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To all you keen Dogtooth Tuna hunters, have a look at some of the results of our just ended Dogtooth Tuna season;

http://www.extremebluewaterspearfish...llery2011.html

Scroll to the bottom for the doggie pics.
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:36 AM   #89
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~~ Taz said it all, However my recommendation is a Barret 50 Cal.
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