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03-16-2014, 07:26 AM | #61 | |
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Re: Educational Discussion of Michael Reed Accident/Incident
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This thread is about learning and you come on here and flame away. This wasnt a simple accident it was a fatality. So Tony it seems there will not be much learning out of this thread due to people like this. Intelligent people know the deal anyways. With that Im finished. |
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03-16-2014, 07:31 AM | #62 |
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Re: Educational Discussion of Michael Reed Accident/Incident
Obviously you do not understand the trimix statement was not for you, and thank you for leaving the thread.
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03-16-2014, 07:45 AM | #63 | |
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Re: Educational Discussion of Michael Reed Accident/Incident
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And all it takes is an open water diver to understand just how unsafe the dive and recovery attempt was. That is basic safe diving practices 101 that they are all given. I think if you want to add to this conversation it might be better if you go back and read what we have of the mishap. Then make educated comments, not spouting off at the mouth like you did. Or are you saying everything they did was safe and acceptable? Oh yeah I left but now Im back. Want to talk about and discuss what happened ok but insulting and talking shit is not what this thread is about. |
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03-16-2014, 07:58 AM | #64 |
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I was not going to ever post again on this thread, I was just going to read and see how it comes out, but I am tired of reading every insult that you have on everybody that post, and insulting the way a hell of a lot more people dive the way you don't Dive, than you will ever know.
And may I say you're the only one in this thread thats beating his chest. So again I ask you please leave this thread and let the divers that understands this diving converse so that they could learn because you are not going to learn anything.
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03-16-2014, 08:06 AM | #65 | |
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Insulting, is the way you are condoning the unsafe diving techniques of the mishap. You are insulting the education of every safe diver out there with your comments. Here can you understand this simple communication: An individual died because of their unsafe techniques. And the attempted rescuer was minutes away from his own death also. That's as fairly simple and straightforward as you can get. WTF have you contributed to this thread? Nothing but spouting off at the mouth. |
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03-16-2014, 08:23 AM | #66 |
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Again your ignorance is showing true colors, you want to insult the rescuer as you are so close minded that thinking the second fatality would happen. Now I am not sure if they were using reels but if roc had a reel which usually has about 300 feet of line, I know roc can think as clear as I can when he got down there if he could not bring him up he simply take the shaft make a few wraps around the diver and head to the surface, at this point could either pull the diver up safely at a speed that would not injure them any worse or could lead them to the diver after they have sufficient Time to go retrieve the diver.
Again you do not have the intelligence to be on this thread you only want to think your own way of thinking. So would you please leave the thread so divers that have the intelligence to go on on this thread and so that they can learn and not your way of how they don't know what they're doing.
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03-16-2014, 09:54 AM | #67 | |
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This thread is really pretty sad. I tried to ignore the bullshit and hilarious statements made by you kehloken, but enough is enough.
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Your latest string of posts lead me to believe you really have no idea what you are talking about. But, I could be wrong - to clear up any misunderstandings, why don't you tell us all your name? That could definitely provide some credibility on these matters.... Cheers, Mike
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03-16-2014, 10:41 AM | #68 |
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AUE I learned how to dive with a book that some navy divers gave me when they came and rented are boats to go out diving in Lake superior, at a young age they taught me how to dive, and since I knew the area and can run boats I was on the boat while they were diving. My sixth dive a diver died and ever since then I learned how not to die diving. back then not many people had big enough boats for the lake superior, nor wanted to take out divers.
I looked at your webpage, your trip reports started in 2000 I stop diving the deep wrecks in 96. I was done doing salvage diving, pulling up cars and getting bodies out of cars under the ice, snowmobilers that went down, shanty fishing fishermen that went bad on weak ice, ice skaters, planes and there were several of us that got called in to recover bodies it's as simple as that. A lot of the very good and smart guys have now passed away they were older than I and the younger ones are have now taken place. I was in retirement stage in 96, amazing it can be when I sold out who would know that Michigan would crumble within a decade. I still have a cabin in Copper Harbor, my last dive was with my wife there on 911, a longtime friend who had a Yacht took us out diving, last cave diving with my wife was in the spring of 2001 in Europe. I will occasionally due a cave dive, as I love ocean cave diving in Europe. Pretty much now I want free dive and travel to Spearfish. I now have no family whatsoever and I have no need to prove anything or have a business and try to make money on a website, or proclaim anything famous. And I do know identity theft is online. And the other is I've dove Deep Air more than I've dove trimix, as we started diving trimix in the late 80s. Our usual diving on Deep Air was a commercial oxygen bottle on the boat with regulators, hung at 10 feet or Deco. Some victory dives halfway through victory Deco we had beer on a line keeping it cold and we shoot a beer and go finish Deco. That is about the wildest craziest thing that I did to be an unsafe diver. it took a few years and many dives watching my buddy before I tried it. I wish you luck in your salvage business and that you've learned quite a bit. Getting Yacht's for insurance companies was the most profitable for me and proving whether it was sabotage or not. But lets stay on topic hear of the diving accident in hand that happened.
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That's all well and good. I just simply asked for a name....
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03-16-2014, 10:55 AM | #70 | |
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Go ahead and dive air to 330 then blow off all your deco, let me know how that works for you. |
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03-16-2014, 11:07 AM | #71 |
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I heard of Garrett but I never knew him, and the reason that he came to the surface is they determined that his new weasel undergarment plug is deflator valves, either he mentioned it on his ride in or or during the investigation. he simply could not dump air, when his fiancée got out of the water she said that his dry suit blew up and send him to the surface.
Obviously it's always the argument of tri-mix is better than Deep Air in today's diving. For me trimix was for a working diver, doing video of deep wrecks and cave diving. Deep Air Bounce Diving has its place, deep air diving for the means of spearfishing also has its place, just like Trimix diving does. This diving accident just happens to be a Deep Air Dive.
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03-16-2014, 11:13 AM | #72 |
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Garrett did not ascend from 300 feet, he ascended from his deco stop at around 60 feet.
John - really??
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03-16-2014, 11:20 AM | #73 |
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Oh good You know about it, the fiancé was a little bit hysterical about it, I guess I think I remember a deco. I did not hear about the weasel till about maybe five years ago. but the sad part is he died, and supposedly because of the tri-mix just could not get to the chamber quick enough. but you must know him or the story better than I and there was nothing that we could do we just want to go diving.
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The accident and the inability to get to the chamber had nothing to do specifically - or evenly remotely - with trimix. As John was trying to point out, inert gas is inert gas. The hospital did not get him in a chamber promptly as they thought he was having a heart attack, and would not have been able to treat him once in the chamber. As it turns out there was no evidence of a heart attack, so poor decisions made by the medical staff helped seal his fate. Cheers, Mike
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03-16-2014, 11:41 AM | #75 |
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Thanks aue, with the speculation back then that's what went around on the water, as I really don't know any divers except for ones i meet on the water I don't affiliate to any dive shops or agencies. but damn that is a shame, Virginia Mason does have a new and better hyper chamber facility. was diving on a wreck in lake Washington few years back when I heard about the weasel from some divers, they did not reveal anything about the heart attack that I can remember.
The analogy speculation of the trimix I didn't quite get nor did bother me as I don't miss my deco obligation and my undergarments will never be able to clog my deflator valve, also I can just pull my zipper a little bit air is out quickly.
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