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Old 03-24-2018, 04:34 AM   #166
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It should also be noted that the 135 vela is equipped with 1.8 mm monoline while the 130 with 2 mm spectra.

In the latter case, the hydrodinamic drag is much larger
Would it really have that much drag? The difference was quite significant really..
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Old 03-24-2018, 07:54 PM   #167
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I made some videoís of testing my 135 vela in the pool at 6, 7 and 8mts. But canít seem to be able upload the videos. Maybe someone can tell me the best format to have the videoís in to upload them.
The shaft Iím using in the test is hunt 10mm x 170cm double offset flopper shaft.
Iím using 1.5mm wire cable in the videoís and doesnít seem to make any difference from 2.2mm mono I have used previously.
The gun is very well balanced for such a heavy shaft.
There is lead in the handle as well as the stainless plates at the bottom of the hanble and air pockets in the front of the gun to give floatation.
I have tried 2mm wire cable and there seems to be a drop of about 100mm at 7mts.
This gun has amazing power with almost no recoil.
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Old 03-24-2018, 11:07 PM   #168
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I made some videoís of testing my 135 vela in the pool at 6, 7 and 8mts. But canít seem to be able upload the videos.
Upload them to youtube or vimeo and share the link here, that should work.
As for format, normally H264 works but most editing softwares have export presets now, so you can just use something that sounds "popular". Like 1089 for youtube or possibly a Mac export format like exporting for Apple TV or similar.
Youtube normally reformats it anyways after you have uploaded. But you can actually google which format youtube prefers.
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Old 03-25-2018, 01:17 AM   #169
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I made some video’s of testing my 135 vela in the pool at 6, 7 and 8mts. But can’t seem to be able upload the videos. Maybe someone can tell me the best format to have the video’s in to upload them.
The shaft I’m using in the test is hunt 10mm x 170cm double offset flopper shaft.
I’m using 1.5mm wire cable in the video’s and doesn’t seem to make any difference from 2.2mm mono I have used previously.
The gun is very well balanced for such a heavy shaft.
There is lead in the handle as well as the stainless plates at the bottom of the hanble and air pockets in the front of the gun to give floatation.
I have tried 2mm wire cable and there seems to be a drop of about 100mm at 7mts.
This gun has amazing power with almost no recoil.
Fantastic mate, thanks for taking to the time to do it. Yeah Youtube or vimeo is super easy to upload to. If you want to send me the files with 'wetransfer.com' I can quickly edit and upload them for you no worries, just pm me and I'll send you my email...
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Old 03-25-2018, 07:13 PM   #170
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Yes cant wait to see this!
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:59 PM   #171
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I'd like to share my experience with these Alemanni guns. I've been trying different guns over the last year to see which perform best for me. I prefer rear handle guns, and what I found is that as I powered a gun up or moved from 2 bands to 3 bands, my accuracy started to suffer. Everything seemed ok in my pool testing, but I had unexplained misses when I was in the ocean. I read about "recoil tolerance" in other threads and I concluded that I don't have a lot of recoil tolerance. I like to be able to shoot my gun without extending my arm, having to lock my elbow, etc. I basically want to fire my gun in any position without affecting accuracy.

With that in mind, I decided to buy the Alemanni Stilo Express 115 Carbon Double Roller and took it to La Paz in April. Over 4 days I took 18 shots, hit 17 fish and only missed 1 hail mary shot. I haven't been in the sport long but I've certainly never had that kind of accuracy before. Aside from the lack of recoil, the gun is designed in a way where the bands don't obstruct the sight picture and the muzzle is tall which makes lining up shots very easy. The gun doesn't take much longer to load than a standard 3 band gun. I absolutely love it and it's my new all around reef and blue water gun.

After that experience, I decided to buy the Vela 135 Special for my Panama trip last week. My Vela didn't require a booster band like other Vela guns. With the single wishbone, it propelled a 10mm shaft diagonally across my pool and the shaft almost went completely through the 5 epoxied yoga mat target. Only a couple inches of the shaft were sticking out of the front of the target and the tip almost hit the plywood set up to protect the pool walls. I didn't measure how far the shot was but I sat as far back in the corner as possible and the pool is 30x15 feet, so diagonally the shot should have been around 8 meters. The shots had a bit of left shift but no shaft drop at all. In fact, the shot was a bit higher than where I aimed it. I remember reading that the Alemanni guns may have a ramp at the muzzle to angle the shafts upward, so maybe mine was designed in a way that didn't require a booster band to keep the shaft from angling low.

I used the Vela in Panama last week and shot my first tuna. I also shot several other fish and had great shot placement with all of them. The gun looks harder to load than it is... I don't think it takes longer to load than a standard tuna gun. It has the same muzzle that makes it easy to aim, and no recoil and no bands to obstruct the sight picture. It basically has the same great qualities I liked in the Stilo, but with a 10mm shaft and a longer shooting distance for large blue water fish.

The only downside I see with the guns is all of the parts and pulleys, especially on the Vela. If something breaks, it may not be possible to fix on a trip. I contacted Alemanni to see if I can order a set of spare parts to have on hand. And yes, the guns are expensive, but considering how much we invest in travel and charters, I don't think it's unreasonable to spend extra for a gun that results in better accuracy and more landed fish.

Everyone is different and different guns will perform differently depending on the shooter. I'm happy I took the time to explore my options and find guns that I'm comfortable and consistently accurate with. I couldn't be happier with Alemanni and the quality of their guns
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:58 PM   #172
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And yes, the guns are expensive, but considering how much we invest in travel and charters, I don't think it's unreasonable to spend extra for a gun that results in better accuracy and more landed fish.
Ain't that the truth, summarised perfectly! Come people like Toyotas, some like Mercedes. The worth of the product is subjectible, they all get you there.

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Old 05-16-2018, 12:48 PM   #173
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Great Review KON. Il Maestro is held in the highest esteem amongst gun builders.

I do think there can be a disconnect between Pool Testing and Field Testing. Especially with bigger guns. Maybe over in Europe, specifically for hunting Bluefin along the Reef, guys will practice Aspetto with a 'Tuna Gun' but it never happens to me. I almost never shoot a 3 band gun let alone a 4 band gun while holding the reef.. For Pool testing to be more accurate when it comes to bigger guns, the shots should be taken mid water. Recoil Tolerance is partially related to style of hunting and shooting. Some people move forward in alignment, some people give a push in anticipation of the recoil. Another element of Recoil Tolerance is size and strength. If you constantly shoot guns, you can build up your recoil tolerance just like many other forms of tolerance. Some people can pull trains with their teeth. Some can kick and bend metal beams. The most common cause of inaccuracy for your 3 band set up is that you are experiencing more recoil than you personally can control. Easiest way to reduce is to drop your Shaft diameter. If you are using an 8.5mm, try an 8mm. If your bands are at 380%, try 350%. Only accurate guns are interesting and you are still going to have atleast 22' vs 25' of kill range which is within what you are normally going to be taking a responsible shot at.

But moving over to the Alemannis has obviously worked for you. 10mm shafts? Dang when are we going to see more videos?
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Old 05-16-2018, 01:24 PM   #174
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Yes while I think pool testing is invaluable to help a shooter become familiar with their gun, there's certainly a chance the gun will perform differently in the ocean. It's also not impossible that, for a particular shooter, a gun that seems to perform badly in the pool at long distances may actually work great in the ocean at shorter distances. And I agree, with time and practice I would have likely grown into my standard guns and become accustomed to the recoil. But, I only have a few opportunities a year to use the guns when I travel, and with a lot of down time in between trips. After having used the Alemannis on only a couple of trips, I'm confident they were the better short-term and long-term choice for me.

Also, I made the mistake of overpowering my guns right away and cutting the 14.5mm bands at over 380%. I even tried the 15mm gray/amber bands at the same stretch and it was no surprise that the guns were explosive and difficult to shoot accurately. In hindsight, I should have started with 14mm bands cut at 350% to get comfortable before adding power, especially considering that there's still plenty of range and power at that band stretch.

As for video, I was in a rush prior to my Panama trip and didn't bother recording. I also didn't have anything larger than a 2 band gun on hand to compare with. But a friend now wants to pool test his new 4 band 67" Sea Sniper (one of the last ones built), so if we have an opportunity to do that, we'll certainly get it and the Vela on video.
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Old 05-16-2018, 06:37 PM   #175
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great review Kon! thanks for taking the time to share

and bloody nice yellowfin! musta felt good landing that after all that bluewater gun groundwork
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:09 AM   #176
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Thanks Kavachi! Never having landed a tuna or fish that big before, it took a while for it to sink in and I was certainly happy, and not just with the fish and Vela but with all of the other gear and rigging I researched and prepped for the trip. On that note, I'd like to point out again the treasure trove of information contained here on spearboard. I read through countless threads over the last couple of years and learned tons about guns, rigging, technique, etc. I still have so much to learn, but there's no way I'd be as informed as I am now without spearboard. Very grateful to all of the folks who have regularly posted and contributed here
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