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Ramon 09-19-2021 07:14 PM

Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing World
 
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🥇🌿🏆💐 Giacomo de Mola wins the 32nd Men's Individual Underwater Fishing World Championship🇮🇹

🥇🌿🏆💐 Malen Sart wins the 1st Women's Individual World Championship 🇪🇸

Congratulations 💪🏼👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏼

<°))))>{

🥇🌿🏆💐 Giacomo de Mola gana el 32° Campeonato del mundo de Pescasubmarina Individual Masculino🇮🇹

🥇🌿🏆💐 Malen Sart gana el 1° Campeonato del mundo individual Femenino 🇪🇸

Felicidades 💪🏼👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏼

Ramon 09-21-2021 12:46 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
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SEATUX 09-21-2021 02:41 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Those pictures says it all. Just Look at those itty bitty fish, how sad.
Ramon, I get it, these are your hero's but something is terribly wrong with this picture. I agree with what Behslayer said in your other thread;

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Originally Posted by Behslayer (Post 2205040)
To me there is a larger picture?

If it's that difficult to even catch a fish... It seems to require 40mtr+ dives and many worldclass divers have not even caught a single fish.. maybe they should be focussed on improving their fishery for the future generations, not inviting the best divers in the world to come there and finish off the last remaining Sardines? Come on... Challenging diving is one thing, but putting extra pressure on an already collapsed fishery.. who should support that?

Piss Poor management of your fisheries, and then throw a tournament to decimate what few fish are left.
Very Sad.

Ramon 09-21-2021 03:54 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
SEATUX Hello, he is not my hero, make no mistake, I am Spanish, I only report there are many penalties for catching fish out of weight. The Italians have wanted to make a lockdown and for theirs to win, if you do not understand championships, it is better not to say anything, I do not want to give an opinion only to REPORT, if you want to make your debate it is up to you. We will see when Peru or the USA or another country organizes a World Cup such as its waters or cloudy sea or rough sea etc ...

Behslayer 09-22-2021 02:08 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
I'll give an opinion.. my issues with this competition is that CMAS is not being responsible or setting a good example for the Spearfishing Community in Stewardship or Safety.

Stewardship is obvious by the catch.. The area clearly doesn't need any pressure, more likely a moratorium on Fishing or some MPAs, and artificial Reefs to regenerate the fish populations.

But what really gets me is the Safety issue. The double standard. CMAS makes Safety such an important part of their Freediving World Championships. But all of that is thrown completely out of the window when it comes to this Spearfishing competition.. I was talking with someone familiar with CMAS and this competition yesterday. They explained to me that things were actually worse than I had thought. The rules are One diver in the water at a time. Any other team members or divers need to be on the boat.. WTF? Run a Spearfishing competition requiring 140-180' drops and eliminate even the most basic Buddy system of having your buddy on the surface watching your ascent? Holy Shit.. it's just luck that from the 10% of the male competitors who entered who needed to be hospitalized that nobody died.. and then my friend explained that at the previous CMAS competition in Greece, competitors did die.. WTF? Maybe that kind of cowboy macho man Spearfishing was acceptable in the past before we as a community really understood the tole that SWB and loose or non-existent buddy system protocol was taking on our friends and families. How many of you have lost more than a handful of friends? WTF? This is exactly the shit that we are trying to change. And Team USA. Here's a message to you all. Boycott this shit. You all knew going into this that it was going to require you to dive in a way that you knew was dangerous. You all ask for support from the community. Honestly would have been better to take all that investment and make a stand and Boycott until CMAS changes their antiquated Machoman attitude towards what a Spearfishing World Championships should be in 2021. Ramon, sorry I don't speak Spanish and we may have some of my meaning lost in Translation.. Here in Hawaii, we are doing Everything we can to change the way people, and especially young people are diving because we are not accepting to lose friends and family to SWB and Loose buddy system protocol. We are making a difference, but we still lost too many young divers. Team USA, CMAS, come on.. set a way better example.

Sure. I'll extend a congratulations to the winners and competitors. But at this point, for me, a Great dive, a Great diver, a Great catch, is measured first by the attention to Safety in the Water.

SEATUX 09-22-2021 03:52 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Behslayer (Post 2205080)
I'll give an opinion.. my issues with this competition is that CMAS is not being responsible or setting a good example for the Spearfishing Community in Stewardship or Safety.

Stewardship is obvious by the catch.. The area clearly doesn't need any pressure, more likely a moratorium on Fishing or some MPAs, and artificial Reefs to regenerate the fish populations.

But what really gets me is the Safety issue. The double standard. CMAS makes Safety such an important part of their Freediving World Championships. But all of that is thrown completely out of the window when it comes to this Spearfishing competition.. I was talking with someone familiar with CMAS and this competition yesterday. They explained to me that things were actually worse than I had thought. The rules are One diver in the water at a time. Any other team members or divers need to be on the boat.. WTF? Run a Spearfishing competition requiring 140-180' drops and eliminate even the most basic Buddy system of having your buddy on the surface watching your ascent? Holy Shit.. it's just luck that from the 10% of the male competitors who entered who needed to be hospitalized that nobody died.. and then my friend explained that at the previous CMAS competition in Greece, competitors did die.. WTF? Maybe that kind of cowboy macho man Spearfishing was acceptable in the past before we as a community really understood the tole that SWB and loose or non-existent buddy system protocol was taking on our friends and families. How many of you have lost more than a handful of friends? WTF? This is exactly the shit that we are trying to change. And Team USA. Here's a message to you all. Boycott this shit. You all knew going into this that it was going to require you to dive in a way that you knew was dangerous. You all ask for support from the community. Honestly would have been better to take all that investment and make a stand and Boycott until CMAS changes their antiquated Machoman attitude towards what a Spearfishing World Championships should be in 2021. Ramon, sorry I don't speak Spanish and we may have some of my meaning lost in Translation.. Here in Hawaii, we are doing Everything we can to change the way people, and especially young people are diving because we are not accepting to lose friends and family to SWB and Loose buddy system protocol. We are making a difference, but we still lost too many young divers. Team USA, CMAS, come on.. set a way better example.

Sure. I'll extend a congratulations to the winners and competitors. But at this point, for me, a Great dive, a Great diver, a Great catch, is measured first by the attention to Safety in the Water.

No, I would not extend congratulations to these divers, they should stick together and BOYCOTT this sorry excuse for a tournament!

Ramon 09-22-2021 04:41 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hToCPdjAEq3vUqsW6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/hToCPdjAEq3vUqsW6

32nd Men's Individual Underwater Fishing World Championship!!!!
What part have you not understood? You want to turn a world championship into a normal fishing for friends, you have no idea what it is to fish deep, nor the capacity, nor the psychological concentration, or anything ... not even your Team, Here you will not go fishing with the colleague who watches over you, that is what the championship in pairs is for. If you need someone to watch you because you don't know what to do in the background, you are not sure of yourself, you are not even responsible for your own safety and even less to know what you have to do in the background with a fish, just they talk about assumptions. And I tell you I, the pioneer in deep fishing between 30 and 40 meters from 1979 to today, took the necessary steps to base teaching a technique to those who today have triumphs. And not everyone is trained for that, do not confuse freediving, with freediving are two different terms. Only if you have not understood it, begin to change your mind. In the link is the security measures of the championship made by the organization of the event. Photo 1982 Cabo Blanco Lighthouse 37 meters of irrigation hose tube innovation of mine to eliminate the rigid tube.

https://www.facebook.com/72759992726...6884898339899/

Year 2017/32 meters with 60 years without help only my ability, do you understand it or not yet?
https://youtu.be/nYwdBE-82P8

Behslayer 09-22-2021 05:19 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Hi Ramon,

When a diver is in the water. Is there allowed to be another Diver in the water (buddy) watching him/her as they descend and ascend?

I understand it is an "Individual" competition.. but this is exactly the mentality we are trying to get away from.

Me with 50yrs. 31mtrs. With my buddies watching my back because I have kids and accidents do happen.. For example. I had never dove this spot before. I had NO IDEA that I was in danger of being run over by a Submarine... Accidents do happen. We have learned this the Hard way and lost too many friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoxlForYd4

Ramon 09-24-2021 12:29 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Behslayer (Post 2205086)
Hi Ramon,

When a diver is in the water. Is there allowed to be another Diver in the water (buddy) watching him/her as they descend and ascend?

I understand it is an "Individual" competition.. but this is exactly the mentality we are trying to get away from.

Me with 50yrs. 31mtrs. With my buddies watching my back because I have kids and accidents do happen.. For example.
I had never dove this spot before. I had NO IDEA that I was in danger of being run over by a Submarine... Accidents do happen.
We have learned this the Hard way and lost too many friends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoxlForYd4

Let's not confuse a freediving championship to an individual underwater fishing championship, they are completely different concepts.

If we think of accidents in all the championships of different classes, there are. That is why it is a risk to assume, that is why it is an Elite
extreme and dangerous sport.

What you have to change is your Sunday fisherman mentality.

When a World Cup is held in Finland, Portugal, Peru, Argentina, Chile and other countries with shallow water 0 to 18 meters visibility
cloudy, dirty, are you also going to take an escort?

Regarding the Spanish boy who had the Pajara in the World Cup in Greece, his name is Javier Lopez, this boy had already turned
his body into a constant of suffering from gas embolisms, because he was trained in apnea competitions and in his normal fishing
he used torpedo Scooter to look at the area which made him prone to gas embolisms or bubbles, he did not have to have participated
the captain erred here.

Marco 09-27-2021 02:58 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
I will chime in here to try to explain Ramon (who is a good friend and excellent spearo) what Jon is trying to say. It will be in Spanish, so sorry my american fellows.

Ramón: Lo que Jon (Behslayer) está tratando de explicarte es que CEMAS tiene una doble moral en lo que respecta a la seguridad; mientras en las competiciones de apnea se extreman las medidas, en el campeonato mundial de pesca submarina se corren muchos (demasiados) riesgos. Se entiende que es un deporte de elite reservado a pocos, pero a estas alturas no queremos que sigan ocurriendo muertes por síncope, ni embolias, ni otros accidentes.
Mientras intentamos enseñarle a los jóvenes que no pesquen solos y que siempre tengan un compañero cuidando sus bajadas, se organiza un campeonato mundial donde hay que pescar (solo) a más de 45 metros.

Por otro lado está el tamaño de las piezas, que en este lado del charco impresiona (por lo diminutas). Definitivamente, el Mediterráneo está esquilmado y no tiene sentido organizar un campeonato donde van unos monstruos a acabar lo poco que queda a profundidades abisales....

Yo en lo particular opino que las competiciones tal y como están concebidas tienen que terminar. En pleno siglo XXI no podemos seguir haciendo campeonatos de quién mata más peces. Cuál es la solución? No la sé. Pero esta seguramente no es.

Te mando un abrazo!

Short translation: I'm explaining him that CMAS has a double moral when organizing competitions; one for freediving, where they put safety first. And a totally different one when they organize these spearfishing championships where participants are expected to dive 180' without a buddy watching their a$$. I also told him that we try to teach the yougsters not to dive alone and then CMAS do this kind of competition...

Last but not least, I mention that the (small) size if the fish is shocking for us and I also told him that I disagree on how spearfishing competitions are organized nowadays, where the winner is whoever kills more fish. I don't know what the solution is, but for sure we're not doing it right.

Behslayer 09-28-2021 12:45 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Thanks Marco,
Honestly I do not see a place for an Individuals category in Spearfishing competitions. It goes against everything we are moving towards in our community with regards to safety. Certainly there is no place for encouraging Individuals making very deep drops without a spotter.

Ramon 09-28-2021 01:26 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
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Originally Posted by Marco, Behslayer, SEATUX (Post 2205143)
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Agradezco su intervención, Yo les he querido decir que solo iNFORMO DE LOS CAMPEONATOS,no quiero abrir un debate porque ya hay uno abierto no se en que subforo, no hay doble moral un cpto de apnea es un tema aparte particular, porque ahí se abusa del tiempo de apnea se hace el burro dicho con cariño, la pescasubmarina es otro tema aparte ahí tienes el control de tu capacidad y control de tu tiempo de apnea.

El mediterráneo sí puede ser que este algo esquilmado es verdad sobre pesca profesional etc.. pero la poca cantidad de peces es y ha sido siempre así en esa zona de Cerdeña, por eso la talla mínima, cupos de especie 5 por especie permitida, para proteger los peces y por eso hicieron la encerrona ahí los Italianos, cuando otro país como USA quiera hacer un mundial que no ha hecho ninguno será diferente en cantidad y tamaño de peces aguas mas claras, Si se hace en Chile o Peru o Argentina hay que pescar a menos profundidad, agua turbia. Es como Croacia hicieron un campeonato y había menos pescado ellos conocían bien la zona.
Por eso un pescador que quiera ser el mejor del mundo tiene que estar preparado para una cosa u otra, ser completo

Los campeonatos de pescasubmarina individuales no es ir de coleguismo o una pesca de dos o una pesca de amigos del domingo, para eso están los campeonatos por clubs o por parejas que ahí sí van dos. Cuando necesitas que alguien te vigile es que tu capacidad no es buena, no estas suficientemente seguro de ti mismo. ni preparado y eso acarrea los problemas.

Es lo que les he tratado de explicar, pero el traductor no carbura
mi Ingles no es muy catolico tampoco.

Si puedes hacer el favor de explicárselo te lo agradecería

Vosotros tenéis más problemas con tiburones por eso me alegro que vayáis dos, aquí no ocurre lo mismo, aunque vayan dos pescadores juntos, si uno se despista el otro muere comprobado.

Un abrazo Marco ;)

Behslayer 09-28-2021 04:40 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
"When you need someone to watch you, it is because your ability is not good, you are not sure enough of yourself. You are not prepared and that leads to problems."

Ramon 09-29-2021 10:47 PM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Behslayer (Post 2205170)
"When you need someone to watch you, it is because your ability is not good, you are not sure enough of yourself. You are not prepared and that leads to problems."

Yes it is, I think we are beginning to understand. The professional subfishing who goes to championships knows that he has his time clock in his subconscious, he knows perfectly how long it takes to go down, how long he has to search and shoot, he knows that every gesture he should not make, but he does know what to do. doing the subconscious warns you and the time to rise arrives, from the rifle to the tip of the fins is a whole is part of Him, but sometimes the slightest mistake is our end and we try not to commit them, that is why there are two classes that have their limit and those who know what their limit is, although they can still improve it. That is why each country has a shallower way of fishing and others deeper, the super fishing sub is the one that is capable of fishing in all areas at shallow and deep depth. You have examples like José Amengual and Pedro Carbonell have won in any sea and depth.

<°)))))>{

Yes es asi, creo que ya empezamos a entender. El pescasub profesional que va a campeonatos sabe tiene su reloj de tiempo en su subconsciente, sabe perfectamente cuanto tiempo tarda en bajar, cuanto tiempo tiene para buscar y disparar, sabe que cada gesto que moviento no debe hacer, pero si sabe lo que tiene que hacer el subconsciente le avisa y llega el tiempo de subida, desde el fusil hasta la punta de las aletas es un todo forma parte de El, pero a veces el mínimo error es nuestro fin y procuramos no cometerlos, por eso hay dos clases los que tienen su límite y los que saben cuál es su límite aunque estos aún pueden mejorarlo. Por eso cada país tienen una forma de pescar menos profunda y otros más profunda, el super pescasub es el que es capaz de pescar en todos los terrenos a poca y mucha profundidad. Tienes ejemplos como José Amengual y Pedro Carbonell han ganado en cualquier mar y profundidad.

Marco 09-30-2021 11:22 AM

Re: Giacomo de Mola and Malén Sart win the 32nd Arbatax Sardinia Underwater Fishing W
 
Ramón: lo que se cuestiona aquí es que siempre predicamos pescar en pareja y de forma segura y en los campeonatos eso no sucede. Todos sabemos que los accidentes suceden. Aún a los más experimentados. Tener un compañero vigilando en superficie, podría evitar muchos de esos accidentes. Especialmente en campeonatos como el de Arbatax o el de Grecia, donde hubo varios accidentes ocasionados por la pesca profunda.

Abrazo!


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