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Old 02-22-2015, 11:52 AM   #1
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Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

Can't seem to find anything about it, remember seeing it though.
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Old 02-23-2015, 06:59 AM   #2
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

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Can't seem to find anything about it, remember seeing it though.
there will be a big tournament the second week of june
with big prizes
there will be separate scuba and freedive divisions, junior division
tons of sponsors will be adding prizes as we go along
its at hurricane hole marina
don't miss it!
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:22 AM   #3
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

Jason,

Are you going to allow commercial shooting?
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:48 AM   #4
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Jason,

Are you going to allow commercial shooting?
scuba divisions only
and anyone on a commercial boat- basically buckheim and elkin and crew
is automatically in the scuba division.
If Caynan wants to shoot freedive ,(he does that too) he will have to be on another boat.
I am friends with these guys and I am literally letting them choose the gun size /style etc. that they want for the scuba prize- since it's gonna be one of them that wins it.
As far as commercial freedivers- me and ben are putting on the show, so we won't be competing.
I plan on driving for the out of town heavy hitters.
I don't know of any others who freedive.
Mojarra and Chad palan maybe.
Chad WILL be competing- IDK mojarra, but chad does, so maybe he will show up too.
I am working on GR to come down- he is 50 /50 at this point.
Kevin Sakuda is probably down- since I moved the tournament to the second week in june- the first week is hell divers rodeo and he is shooting that. He said if I move it- he will come down. I did move it, so ...

I feel that commercial freedivers don't have an UNFAIR advantage.
Do you?
I want as much input on making this fair as possible- so if you got any ideas- let me know.
I can't see eliminating them from scuba divisions- should I ?

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Old 02-25-2015, 06:24 PM   #5
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

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scuba divisions only
and anyone on a commercial boat- basically buckheim and elkin and crew
is automatically in the scuba division.
If Caynan wants to shoot freedive ,(he does that too) he will have to be on another boat.
I am friends with these guys and I am literally letting them choose the gun size /style etc. that they want for the scuba prize- since it's gonna be one of them that wins it.
As far as commercial freedivers- me and ben are putting on the show, so we won't be competing.
I plan on driving for the out of town heavy hitters.
I don't know of any others who freedive.
Mojarra and Chad palan maybe.
Chad WILL be competing- IDK mojarra, but chad does, so maybe he will show up too.
So does that mean that Mojjara and Chad and others (Bertini, Niko etc) would be in the scuba division even if they are freediving since they're commercial too (correct me if I'm wrong), or just the prolific tank divers?

I did want to freedive this tournament to test myself as a diver and see where I stand against these instagram famous divers my age, and so I wouldn't have to compete against my dad who would be my one of my biggest competition if I were in the Scuba division.

All that aside, this sounds like it's going to be a kick ass tournament with a bunch of great divers.
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Old 02-25-2015, 06:48 PM   #6
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

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So does that mean that Mojjara and Chad and others (Bertini, Niko etc) would be in the scuba division even if they are freediving since they're commercial too (correct me if I'm wrong), or just the prolific tank divers?

I did want to freedive this tournament to test myself as a diver and see where I stand against these instagram famous divers my age, and so I wouldn't have to compete against my dad who would be my one of my biggest competition if I were in the Scuba division.

All that aside, this sounds like it's going to be a kick ass tournament with a bunch of great divers.
what is your age?
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:01 PM   #7
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what is your age?
Depends on who is asking

I'm 20
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:27 PM   #8
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

here is the thing, I have been talking to Ja and we both think that there should be a point cap on fish in the freedive category

like a pound a point up to 25, so even if you shoot a 50# you can only get 25 points

Also since grouper has such a low bag limit recreational we were thinking that perhaps other large pelagics will all be in the same category as grouper

That would partially eliminate the advantage commercial shooters have in they can shoot multiple blacks and take the largest

like say you could weight wahoo, mahi , cobia in the same category as grouper

And you don't have to be a super diver to get a 25# black, which would be the max points

Also we were thinking categories for freediving

grouper
snapper
mackerel
Jacks
Then like a hog/trigger/sheeps/porgy category - This would eliminate the need for people to shoot little hogs to fill the slot, and also give people with smaller boats a chance to do better in this category. Example to get a 10# hog , you will mostly dive way west or deep, but you can get a 10# trigger at toppino

just ideas, trying to make something were everyone can have a chance at winning, not just people with big boats
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:49 PM   #9
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

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Depends on who is asking

I'm 20
I don't get it.. you say you want commercial freedive spearos relegated to the scuba category and then your signature says you are a commercial spearo and you are not a minor, but you want to compete with other freedivers??
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:28 PM   #10
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I don't get it.. you say you want commercial freedive spearos relegated to the scuba category and then your signature says you are a commercial spearo,
Jay "Impaler Spearguns" in his post said:
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scuba divisions only
and anyone on a commercial boat- basically buckheim and elkin and crew
is automatically in the scuba division.
If Caynan wants to shoot freedive ,(he does that too) he will have to be on another boat.
and went on to list some commercial divers that strictly freedive, which lead me to ask does that mean ALL commercial divers will be automatically in the scuba division.


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and you are not a minor, but you want to compete with other freedivers??
I don't know what my age has to do with this? The divers I'm referring to are all my age or older than me.

What I want to do is freedive in this tournament, while my dad tank dives.

And Ben, I like the socialist spearfishing tournament idea, keeping a big Black or slob AJ to a limit, while adding multiple entries for the Grouper and Hog fish to keep it relevant to all sorts of divers.
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Old 02-26-2015, 12:06 AM   #11
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

Hasn't anyone organized a perfect tourney in the past that you can just plagiarize? Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

But on the real, I am excited for this. If it is accessible for regular jerks like myself, i'm in.
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Old 02-26-2015, 07:50 AM   #12
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

Caynan,
we are just trying to make it fair to the others- especially the non locals.
I will personally find you a spot- either on my boat- or someone else's- so you can freedive. You and your dad win every tournament - it's time to let the others have a chance.
Anyone who SCUBAS is in the scuba division.
Anyone who freedives is in the freedive division.
If you dive on a commercial scuba boat with scuba divers- you HAVE to enter the scuba division.
I AM letting all freedivers,(commercial) enter the freedive divisions.
Me and ben are not competing- and the only commercial guys who are coming are not locals- so I am not going to exclude them.
You kind of have a point, but nothing is perfect and the best solution that we can see is what I have said so far.
You will fall neatly between the cracks on this because of who your dad is.
If I was you- I would shoot in scuba with your dad.
I need to get with your pops to see what I should build for first place scuba prize- as I am sure it will be him or buckheim who gets it.
The prizes for scuba will be exactly equal to the freedive prizes, so there is no need to enter freedive division.
If you want to shoot freedive style- start looking for a boat- you got almost 4 months.
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:50 PM   #13
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

Just something I always thought about to try and eliminate cheating and encourage safety...

Why not make the freedive division a team event with teams of 2, and they weigh in one fish per category.. This gives them 2 fish to choose from so they can be selective on shooting their groupers.. The team system emphasizes freedivers working together instead of competing with everyone on their boat.. unless they already take the approach of giving all the big fish shot to one diver..

On another note, there should be a rule that all boats must be present/represented at the captains meeting? Aka, no leaving for 4 day trips 2 days before the tournament starts?

Aside from that, you will never make everyone happy and you are setting the tournament up.. do what you please.. The recreational guys will always hate on the commercial guys just as the freedivers always hate on the scuba guys..
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:59 AM   #14
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Old 03-04-2015, 02:34 PM   #15
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Re: Weren't you 'mos talking about a tourney?

It seems like you guys are trying to make it as fair as possible.

The point cap is interesting and could level things out. Commercial guys will always have the advantage as I can't just shoot until I find a 25# plus grouper. I could shoot a 17# and I have to stop. It's still nearly impossible for a rec. guy to win categories with only 1 fish to shoot compared to unlimited for commercial. Although it may make it more fair rec. guys have to choose to shoot a fish or let it swim with the chance they may not see one bigger and then get a zero.

Anyway, you'll never please everyone and I'll be there regardless to have some fun. My opinion would be commercial freedive and scuba are the same category. Recreational have to pay for their fuel to compete. To commercial guys they can run as far and fast as they want because they can sell the fish to pay for fuel. They can shoot until they break the points barrier, no matter how insignificant it may seem.

These are always challenges in these tournaments. I'm just throwing out scenarios and ideas. I've already talked to Jason about most of what I just said and they are trying to consider everything. What Jason says is right though, reef tournaments are always dominated by scuba and commercial, most the time a combination.

Like I said, I'll see you guys there either way. I did like the freedive team idea too, that would be neat.
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