The End of California?

[phil herranen]

Originally Posted by arice

Would you rather have the people move N. to you?

Most of the city's up here on the coast have locked in zero growth , for example here in sc you can't subdevide unless you have over ten acres and can't build on under two , basicly shutting down new development , Monterey has similar rules and I'm sure others do too

[SPGuy]

Without AG there is little industry without industry there is little need for a high amount of AG...they go hand in hand the north needs the south and the south needs the north same as the U.S. In the civil war

["Burnard"]

Originally Posted by arice

Would you rather have the people move N. to you?

F@@K No ! Blow the I-5 Grapevine before all is lost.

[agarcia]

Originally Posted by SPGuy

Without AG there is little industry without industry there is little need for a high amount of AG...they go hand in hand the north needs the south and the south needs the north same as the U.S. In the civil war

Call me crazy but that little cottage industry called Tech might keep us afloat.....plus all the billions in unsubsidized water we'd be selling to socal. I say we can probably make due.

[rob102]

Originally Posted by phil herranen

None of this would be a problem if some moron hadn't decided to build the biggest population center in ca in a desert then demand that they should be shipped water from the northern half of the state so they can water their golf courses . It asinine to blame the farmers that have been here longer than the vast majority of the houses in SoCal for the water shortage , SoCal should have to find a way to deal with their own water problems , since it shouldn't exist in the first place

Amen.

[On_a_string]

No one has ever said, "Stop farming in California." People have said stop using subsidized water to send 80% of nut crops to China. Stop farming water intensive crops such as alfalfa and cotton in a desert. Other states can pick up the slack.

It seems that because we have grown these crops in the past it's become the job of California to do so in the future. It's not...

[Scottywotty]

I like how we've got oil pipelines running all through the continental united states.

Wonder why they cant do that w/ water pipelines Texas is not that far away...

Don't even get me started on aquifers....

Scotty

[arice]

Originally Posted by phil herranen

Most of the city's up here on the coast have locked in zero growth , for example here in sc you can't subdevide unless you have over ten acres and can't build on under two , basicly shutting down new development , Monterey has similar rules and I'm sure others do too

That doesn't really answer the question, though. Fact is that there are very FEW big cities built in a locale that can actually support a big city. San Francisco sure as hell can't. Their water is shipped 160 miles from Hetch Hetchy. Oakland's water also comes from the Sierra Nevada though a little farther north.

Los Angeles is no different, though the water travels a bit farther.

Those of us who love wild places and cool low-population density towns like Santa Cruz should really be grateful for the infrastructure that makes it possible for people to live farther away from their resources. Otherwise the Sierra Nevada and the Gold Country would be one big megalopolis.

[arice]

Originally Posted by Scottywotty

I like how we've got oil pipelines running all through the continental united states.

Wonder why they cant do that w/ water pipelines Texas is not that far away...

Don't even get me started on aquifers....

Scotty

As soon as you're ready to start paying $52 a barrel for bulk H2O I suspect you'll find someone willing to build such a pipeline.

[diver7]

http://carlsbaddesal.com/desalination-plant

How needs nocal? that's right bitches...
On the serious side, at least this city did something about it...

[arice]

Originally Posted by diver7

http://carlsbaddesal.com/desalination-plant

How needs nocal? that's right bitches...
On the serious side, at least this city did something about it...

The big issue, as I understand it, is that water from a desal plant like Carlsbad costs about $2,000 per acre foot. Currently, even with the drought, you can buy surplus water from Kern County and other places in N. Cal for $750 to $1,000 acre foot. And normally water from Northern California is about $150 acre foot. So the cost of desal needs to become a LOT cheaper before it's truly practical. Good solar would really help that.

[SPGuy]

Ok can't hide it anymore yep it's the end! Everybody out!

[mfarrell]

We never learn from the past. Domestic water consumption is only about 5% of California's water use with ag and industrial using the rest. About 80% of everything we grow is shipped out of California. Israel built de-sal plants back in the 50's and made the desert bloom, we can and should do the same. But unlimited growth is obviously unsustainable. There has to be a balance.

[rojodiablo]

Originally Posted by agarcia

Call me crazy but that little cottage industry called Tech might keep us afloat.....plus all the billions in unsubsidized water we'd be selling to socal. I say we can probably make due.

Can't eat your computer......

[rojodiablo]

Originally Posted by diver7

http://carlsbaddesal.com/desalination-plant

How needs nocal? that's right bitches...
On the serious side, at least this city did something about it...

Huge cost, and the plant is not even capable of providing the city with its' full water requirements, let alone the county of SD.

At least with the nuke powerplant, if they NEEDED to..... they could make the uranium rods glow hot enough to power the entire region. DeSal can't be pushed to produce like that, regardless of cost or need.

But I agree, its' a piece of the puzzle, which eventually will be put together. Just not really soon.......