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Old 02-26-2020, 02:26 PM   #31
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Re: Jail for Lionfish

All charges are dropped. No penalty is rendered, they don't even have to pay court costs and simply have to return the disputed disbursement.

Why would they hide from any of this? Not only are they not guilty, the initial charges have been dropped.

FWC must not have had a strong case, they must have spent a lot of government money to attempt a sting, engage in surveillance, attorney fees and staff time and the culmination is that all charges are dropped and there is ZERO recovery of all the costs the State incurred to pursue this.

Sounds like the FWC shouldn't be wasting all our money on such weak cases.
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Old 02-26-2020, 03:26 PM   #32
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Re: Jail for Lionfish

Or more like....
The pics looked fake. They issue the tickets and do the arrest on the obvious fakes. Witnesses don't cooperate (because they are scared, as they are in on it) and the cost of forensic computer testimony is too great for $10,000 crime. So at least they get the $10k back
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Old 02-26-2020, 06:22 PM   #33
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Or more like....
The pics looked fake. They issue the tickets and do the arrest on the obvious fakes. Witnesses don't cooperate (because they are scared, as they are in on it) and the cost of forensic computer testimony is too great for $10,000 crime. So at least they get the $10k back
Yeah and what did FWC spend on the investigation - way more than 10 k I am sure. So what is the end result?

FWC losses money and demonstrates an inability to manage a program and/or enforce laws... There is no effective deterrent since the worst that can possibly happen is that you have to return the money?

Sorry, but once again I am unimpressed with FWC.
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Old 02-26-2020, 08:35 PM   #34
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JFJF,

Thanks for the devil's advocacy. You've made the thread more interesting.
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Thatís funny.. we used to make 10k a week shooting lions
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:00 AM   #36
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The devil deals in contracts. Sounds like they had a really good devil whip up some word magic to spell their way out. Was it the FWC or the Justice (Just us) system or both? Regardless, SharkTales are known scammers.
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Old 02-27-2020, 03:20 PM   #37
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I wonder which other scams that was.
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All charges are dropped. No penalty is rendered, they don't even have to pay court costs and simply have to return the disputed disbursement.

Why would they hide from any of this? Not only are they not guilty, the initial charges have been dropped.

FWC must not have had a strong case, they must have spent a lot of government money to attempt a sting, engage in surveillance, attorney fees and staff time and the culmination is that all charges are dropped and there is ZERO recovery of all the costs the State incurred to pursue this.

Sounds like the FWC shouldn't be wasting all our money on such weak cases.

LOOOLLL.... OJ was innocent too....

I have not visited this site in years, I popped to see comments on this matter...

Well paid attorney got them out of trouble. State probably needed to spend considerable amount of money in photo forensics to make a case...
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Old 02-27-2020, 03:43 PM   #39
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LOOOLLL.... OJ was innocent too....

I have not visited this site in years, I popped to see comments on this matter...

Well paid attorney got them out of trouble. State probably needed to spend considerable amount of money in photo forensics to make a case...
I'm not sure how this cases relates to OJ, then again, there is a good chance a bloody gloves was involved here as well.
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I'm not sure how this cases relates to OJ, then again, there is a good chance a bloody gloves was involved here as well.
The point is, the fact charges were dropped does not necessarily mean they didn't do it...
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All charges are dropped. No penalty is rendered, they don't even have to pay court costs and simply have to return the disputed disbursement.

Why would they hide from any of this? Not only are they not guilty, the initial charges have been dropped.

FWC must not have had a strong case, they must have spent a lot of government money to attempt a sting, engage in surveillance, attorney fees and staff time and the culmination is that all charges are dropped and there is ZERO recovery of all the costs the State incurred to pursue this.

Sounds like the FWC shouldn't be wasting all our money on such weak cases.
The charges were not dropped and the scumbags got lucky and got a good deal. It's called a pre-trial diversion program and if the scumbags can avoid getting in trouble for the next year, the charges will be dismissed.

They should have gotten jail time, had to pay restitution in the amount of all the invoices they submitted (whether they got paid for them or not), had to pay court cost and lost their fishing license, recreational or commercial, for five years.
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I wonder which other scams that was.
Really? From this thread alone...

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Yeap I’ve heard a lot of bad stuff about him. Cheating in tournaments and few other things.
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These two are crooks and deserve to be behind bars. Dickinson has been charged numerous times by the FWC and continues to sell permit to restaurants.
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Team Shark Tales came to the Treasure Coast Shootout one year and lined up their fish so their top shooter forgot his name Aquatech, I think was his spearboard name shot the heaviest fish in each category then #2 shooter shot the second heaviest in every category #3 and so on. This is mathematically possible, barley.
They had 5 shooters.
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I've never met them, but their click bait titles to their youtube videos were a pretty good sign that they operate using deception.
I met John a few years back only once. It was on a dive charter, not his. He was friendly, nice, knowledgeable, safe, and good hunter. He did not act like a team player underwater. I needed backup and he was close by but never came over to help. I shot a nice black and was being harassed by 3 bulls taking turns charging me. I have a loud u/w lobster squeaker, made the emergency SOS 3 pulses several times, and then saw him swim away. Anyways I was able to lift bag the fish but the sharks got it before the boat did.

Despite my limited personal encounter, the man's actions around this community define his true character.

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The charges were not dropped and the scumbags got lucky and got a good deal. It's called a pre-trial diversion program and if the scumbags can avoid getting in trouble for the next year, the charges will be dismissed.

They should have gotten jail time, had to pay restitution in the amount of all the invoices they submitted (whether they got paid for them or not), had to pay court cost and lost their fishing license, recreational or commercial, for five years.
Why did he get such a good deal?
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Really? From this thread alone...









I met John a few years back only once. It was on a dive charter, not his. He was friendly, nice, knowledgeable, safe, and good hunter. He did not act like a team player underwater. I needed backup and he was close by but never came over to help. I shot a nice black and was being harassed by 3 bulls taking turns charging me. I have a loud u/w lobster squeaker, made the emergency SOS 3 pulses several times, and then saw him swim away. Anyways I was able to lift bag the fish but the sharks got it before the boat did.

Despite my limited personal encounter, the man's actions around this community define his true character.



Why did he get such a good deal?
Itís all about the lawyer.
Iam sure the legal fees hurt
The Shame sure did, he is selling his house.
So what town next?
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