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Old 09-04-2021, 08:19 PM   #1
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New Developments in Conception Fire

Coast Guard Shares Blame?
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Old 09-04-2021, 09:25 PM   #2
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Re: New Developments in Conception Fire

That's sad, all around. Blaming government for such isn't the solution, IMO. Regulators...who regulates them??
Did the boat have adequate insurance? Who did the insurance agency use to ensure the electrical system was safe?
It's hard to imagine a Capt'n that would look away and endanger passengers given such glaring obvious electrical issues.
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Old 09-05-2021, 02:03 AM   #3
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Re: New Developments in Conception Fire

Lawyers seeking to sue for hefty damages often look for the entity with the deepest pockets. Truth Aquatics is financially underwater and its fleet sold, so not much money to be had there.
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Old 09-05-2021, 04:58 AM   #4
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Ultimately the goal of actions taken 'after the fact' should be to bring about meaningful change. Punishing the people actually responsible for the fire is the only way to accomplish this. If in fact there was negligence by the Coast Guard, then the personnel doing the inspections, the people responsible for their training and supervision, and responsible for the 'culture' of the service should be held personally liable.
Another approach would be for investigators to look at the financial records of the victims to determine what brands of batteries and chargers they purchased. Representative batches should then be procured and tested to determine, for example, if they had proper temperature and current limiters and other quality safeguards. If not, the manufacturers as well as the various personnel in the USA regulatory agencies who are responsible for, as an example, making sure imported items are fit to be allowed into the country should be investigated. They should be held personally responsible, with civil and criminal actions as needed.
The investigators themselves should be held to account for not pursuing that course of action. What they did was to shrug their shoulders and say they couldn't determine if the fire originated from the batteries/chargers.
People who put out unsafe crap, stamp it CE or whatever, and ship it out should be severely punished, along with their enablers. These are the people who should be compensating the families of the victims, along with a bit of jail time. Then you will start to see some changes.
What it all boils down to is personal responsibility which is driven by the ethics and moral compass of the individuals involved.
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Old 09-06-2021, 06:01 PM   #5
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Re: New Developments in Conception Fire

Grandfathering provisions should be scrapped which allow non-compliant vessels to operate.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:01 PM   #6
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Ultimately the goal of actions taken 'after the fact' should be to bring about meaningful change. Punishing the people actually responsible for the fire is the only way to accomplish this. If in fact there was negligence by the Coast Guard, then the personnel doing the inspections, the people responsible for their training and supervision, and responsible for the 'culture' of the service should be held personally liable.
Another approach would be for investigators to look at the financial records of the victims to determine what brands of batteries and chargers they purchased. Representative batches should then be procured and tested to determine, for example, if they had proper temperature and current limiters and other quality safeguards. If not, the manufacturers as well as the various personnel in the USA regulatory agencies who are responsible for, as an example, making sure imported items are fit to be allowed into the country should be investigated. They should be held personally responsible, with civil and criminal actions as needed.
The investigators themselves should be held to account for not pursuing that course of action. What they did was to shrug their shoulders and say they couldn't determine if the fire originated from the batteries/chargers.
People who put out unsafe crap, stamp it CE or whatever, and ship it out should be severely punished, along with their enablers. These are the people who should be compensating the families of the victims, along with a bit of jail time. Then you will start to see some changes.
What it all boils down to is personal responsibility which is driven by the ethics and moral compass of the individuals involved.
Given that the fire was almost certainly started from camera strobe batteries, the questions as to what happened to them to set them off is where it goes- but you asked a good question, which is unanswerable: What kind of batteries, what chargers, what extenuating circumstances caused the first batteries to go off? Did a cup of water tip over ans spill water to cause a short? Did fog cause condensation which got the batteries to short? Was a bad battery at fault? Was a charger used that a battery was not compatible with? Did a voltage regulator not work on a charger??

We will NEVER know the answer, because it all burned to ashes and plastic mud.

And to say that the escape hatches were not up to current codes is one thing........ they weren't used. They died in their bunks, consumed by the fumes and then fire. Nobody was out of place like they made it halfway out, nobody made it even to the galley, there was no screaming. Carbon Monoxide took them quickly and IF any woke, they were too out of sorts to make any moves to save themselves........ Sadly sometimes this is just how it goes. RIP.
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